Israel at war

[mandrill]

Well, far smarter people than me tried. However I'll have a go. Palestinians were sitting and shitting on a piece of sand for a couple of thousands of years and not doing anything with it. Jews started returning to the same patch of sand at the beginning of the last century and more came after the European holocaust. They established the state of Israel and proceeded to get busy. Turning the desert that the occupants at the time were doing nothing much with into productive farm land.
They offered the Arabs full citizenship and a piece of the pie. An offer which was soundly rejected with a counter offer of all their neighbors attacking them in a full scale war with the stated intention of annihilating them.
Now to cut to the chase. If the patch of sand they were living on is the main bone of contention, why not move to another patch of sand. The middle east has lots of room with Arab neighbors. Why not donate an area where they could move and prosper? Fighting over the one they've got doesn't seem to be working.

Because no one wants them. And their Arab neighbors milk their plight for propaganda purposes.

The Gazans are trapped in their enclave and cannot leave. And Hamas is a military dictatorship which justifies this situation by preaching about an eternal war for the lost lands and for vengeance.

 

[mandrill]

The lefties will argue that this is "collective punishment" when "only a few" committed the atrocities.
Israeli minister orders ‘complete siege’ of Gaza (thelondoneconomic.com)

It is. How else can one perceive it.

But OTOH, what else is Israel supposed to do?!?!?

You can't allow egregious acts such as those of last week to go unpunished and uncontrolled.

 

[mandrill]

"And as was predicted, Russia is trying to frame Ukraine for the Hamas terrorist attack by using "trophy weapons" they've gotten from the Ukrainian troops."

Only a fool would believe the Russians. Just a couple of examples:
1) They lied to the British Indian army soldiers that their bullets were greased with pig/cow lard.
2) They claimed the Nazis murdered the Poles in the forest in WWII.

"An uprising in several sepoy companies of the Bengal army was sparked by the issue of new gunpowder cartridges for the Enfield rifle in February 1857. Loading the Enfield often required tearing open the greased cartridge with one's teeth, and many sepoys believed that the cartridges were greased with cow and pig fat.[1] That would have insulted both Hindu and Muslim religious practices; cows were considered holy by Hindus, and pigs were considered unclean (Haram) by Muslims."

Not sure if the Russians were involved in the Indian Mutiny. I think that's just a legend started by Victorian paranoia.

 

[mandrill]

Pro-Palestinian Protests Break Out in Multiple U.S. Cities (msn.com)

I am SHOCKED that the righties are suddenly no longer interested in backing Muslim religious protests!!!

SHOCKED!!!!!

Unlike the anti LGTBQ Muslim protests which were applauded by the righties, I don't see a single Republican asshole parading with these Muslims and cheering them on. I guess the righties just exploit Muslim grievances when its politically useful, huh?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Because no one wants them. And their Arab neighbors milk their plight for propaganda purposes.

The Gazans are trapped in their enclave and cannot leave. And Hamas is a military dictatorship which justifies this situation by preaching about an eternal war for the lost lands and for vengeance.

Yea. I get it.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

"An uprising in several sepoy companies of the Bengal army was sparked by the issue of new gunpowder cartridges for the Enfield rifle in February 1857. Loading the Enfield often required tearing open the greased cartridge with one's teeth, and many sepoys believed that the cartridges were greased with cow and pig fat.[1] That would have insulted both Hindu and Muslim religious practices; cows were considered holy by Hindus, and pigs were considered unclean (Haram) by Muslims."

Sounds like a delicious recipe for world peace.

 

[crocket]

Jews cause this problem. They don't have any intention of giving Palestinians their land. Instead Jews bulldoze Arab homes and kick them out. Now the Arabs get mad and attack the Jews. So when will Jews give Palestine their own state?

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Jews cause this problem. They don't have any intention of giving Palestinians their land. Instead Jews bulldoze Arab homes and kick them out. Now the Arabs get mad and attack the Jews. So when will Jews give Palestine their own state?

"Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
The return of Arafat was the beginning of the enactment of the Declaration of Principles agreed at the Oslo Peace Accords signed in Washington in 1993.

Under the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority took control of the newly autonomous areas - Gaza and Jericho - and in 1996 Arafat became its elected president."

 

[crocket]

"Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres were jointly awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
The return of Arafat was the beginning of the enactment of the Declaration of Principles agreed at the Oslo Peace Accords signed in Washington in 1993.

Under the agreement, the Palestinian National Authority took control of the newly autonomous areas - Gaza and Jericho - and in 1996 Arafat became its elected president."

I just heard on CNN that Israel has cut off food, water, and electricity from Gaza. So who is in control? Israel is controlling everything.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Jews cause this problem. They don't have any intention of giving Palestinians their land. Instead Jews bulldoze Arab homes and kick them out. Now the Arabs get mad and attack the Jews. So when will Jews give Palestine their own state?

I see you have one like from the resident East Indian anti semite. I guess he has the solution. Bring them to Canada.

 

[mitchell76]

 

[mitchell76]

Jews cause this problem. They don't have any intention of giving Palestinians their land. Instead Jews bulldoze Arab homes and kick them out. Now the Arabs get mad and attack the Jews. So when will Jews give Palestine their own state?

Never!!

 

[Darts]

Iran use the Basij to crack down on Iranian protesters. Some/many members of the Basij are Palestinians, true, false?

 

[crocket]

I see you have one like from the resident East Indian anti semite. I guess he has the solution. Bring them to Canada.

What is your solution? The fight is for land. Israel has not given up any land, so the fight continues.

 

[Darts]

TPS just announced they are expecting competing rallies.

 

[mitchell76]

I don't see living in a permanent state of siege as "bouncing back"

Israel has been living in a permanent state of siege since 1948!!

 

[Not getting younger]

Actually a good point. A war time leader in most countries is the most unifying leader.

Winston Churchill? A lot will say he was the difference in the uk. Hardly a peace maker, unifying politician. And I also recall a very stirring “we shall never surrender”.

 

[mitchell76]

 

[Darts]

Mayor Chow just released a statement regarding potential rallies at Nathan Phillips..

 

[mitchell76]