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Frankfooter

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That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".

That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.

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I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.
Thank you for admitting its a problem affecting his election chances.
That is what I'm arguing.
 
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Butler1000

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That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".

That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.



Not at all.
I've said repeatedly that you don't understand the voting system and that people who vote based on the same thinking as you also don't understand it.



I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.
That's all just projection by you because you can't believe anyone wouldn't think that this is the single most important thing - if not the only thing - affecting Joe Biden's chances of re-election.
I'd say it has cost them Michigan. Absolutely. Thats 100,000's of votes around Dearborn that are toast. And the margin is tight there.

As for other parts it isn't about support politically but simply about taxpayer dollars bring spent and not on Americans. Isolationism has risen in the USA to a point imo it will be a factor in the swing states.
 

Valcazar

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Not voting for the status quo is how you change the status quo.
Not in the way you mean, though.


It may never happen but at least you are trying to change the system, not just choose between two genocidal options.
No.
Unless you are talking about overthrowing the system and violently replacing democracy or the government, this is just you misunderstanding voting.

Your view appears to be that democracy is broken and can't be fixed.
No.
My view is democracy is important and should be nurtured.
It is also that if you want to fix the deeply imperfect voting system, then you need to understand what it does.

You sell the same 'the other guy will end the world' story that the other side sells.
Even if that were true, it would be entirely irrelevant to the argument I'm making about what the voting system does and how it works.

Its like you think nobody should protest and the students should cut it out because they won't force Biden to change his mind.
I have never said this.
In fact, I am in favor of the protests and think that kind of pressure is exactly what is needed to change his mind.

Even though you, amongst everyone here, know this looks like a Humphrey moment.
Is "this is a Humphrey moment" the new talking point!?
People are doubling down on that?
 

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It really doesn't matter any more what the Palestinian want that the reality …. They Palestinians can simply assist in getting any hostages still held by Hamas freed, and end the Gaza War, or they can die at about a 1000 to 1 rate. That is the reality no matter what anyone thinks about it. The world, including the Arab world, has shown that they are not going to step in and stop it. Release the maybe 140 or so, or die at a rate of 1000+ .


FYI , The ratio of hostage free to Hamas killed to innocent people killed, something like 1 to 1 to 1000?
 
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May be my sarcasm would fly in space still I am holding myself responsible for this meme. This is how current “left” ideology is. bca500cc-f41f-4f9a-9435-03f5202cf091.jpeg
 
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It really doesn't matter any more what the Palestinian want that the reality …. They Palestinians can simply assist in getting any hostages still held by Hamas freed, and end the Gaza War, or they can die at about a 1000 to 1 rate. That is the reality no matter what anyone thinks about it. The world, including the Arab world, has shown that they are not going to step in and stop it. Release the maybe 140 or so, or die at a rate of 1000+ .


FYI , The ratio of hostage free to Hamas killed to innocent people killed, something like 1 to 1 to 1000?
Well there would not be any stoping and they actually “don’t” wany this to end.
If I really get into numbers aka statistics. I would be banned. I don’t want to do that.
Why civilian population is not supporting ops against terrorists? Why women and kids are being used as shield? But nah!
All this teeter pics and arguments are “against” survival. I remember in my school days, it always matters who slapped first. Once you slapped and than apologies or bring buddies to say “ hey it was a childish thing, pls ignore” and the person, who got slapped, was like. Thinking like what the duck ? I like proactive things.
 

Hunter96

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Bruh, you been here just over a year and already have over 9000 post? 🤷‍♂️
It’s an echo chamber of left aka me right, me saying truth, me knows everything on earth and me knows everything but myself. But I will counter anything what you say coz you don’t thing they way I think. If tomorrow you say I breath oxygen, left will say yeah coz you have noseyrills what you gonna do about that? Hah?
 

Frankfooter

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Not in the way you mean, though.
No.
Unless you are talking about overthrowing the system and violently replacing democracy or the government, this is just you misunderstanding voting.
No.
My view is democracy is important and should be nurtured.
It is also that if you want to fix the deeply imperfect voting system, then you need to understand what it does.
How is voting for someone aiding genocide 'fixing the system' or 'nurturing democracy'?
The system is clearly fucked if your choice is between a rapist and convicted felon who attempted a coup and someone aiding genocide.

Even if that were true, it would be entirely irrelevant to the argument I'm making about what the voting system does and how it works.
No.
If this were an election between Biden and some more traditional republican you wouldn't be repeatedly arguing that not voting for rump will bring about the end of democracy and even more genocide.

I have never said this.
In fact, I am in favor of the protests and think that kind of pressure is exactly what is needed to change his mind.
Same way the protests and losing the election changed the dems after Vietnam.
Is "this is a Humphrey moment" the new talking point!?
People are doubling down on that?
Have you at least moved on from saying that votes are owed to Biden and refusing to vote for him is 'punishing' him just for aiding genocide?
 
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It really doesn't matter any more what the Palestinian want that the reality …. They Palestinians can simply assist in getting any hostages still held by Hamas freed, and end the Gaza War, or they can die at about a 1000 to 1 rate. That is the reality no matter what anyone thinks about it. The world, including the Arab world, has shown that they are not going to step in and stop it. Release the maybe 140 or so, or die at a rate of 1000+ .


FYI , The ratio of hostage free to Hamas killed to innocent people killed, something like 1 to 1 to 1000?
Racist, Poor education, Wife beater strategy
 

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So a propagandist who works for "Palestine chronicle" a pro Hamas propaganda outlet (one this is often cited by a terbite here who openly supports terrorists and terrorism against Jews and israelis) was allegedly involved in holding hostages

 

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"They've taken everything from me!"

Gazan woman tells heartbreaking account of how Israeli forces raided her house and stole her family's last remaining hostages.

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Israel could have had all the hostages returned 8 months ago but even today they choose to kill more instead.
They used aid trucks, which is like the accusation that Hamas was using hospitals.
They used US and UK help, which actively includes them in genocide.
And they deliberately killed civilians.

Israel wants to turn the entire world into a police state to defend their genocide now.

And most of the hostages would have returned without massacring Palestinian civilians if it hadn’t vetoed its own peace plan last week. POS Nation is nothing more than a homicidal and racist shamble.
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