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PeteOsborne

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Klatuu said:
Comprehension, comprehension, comprehension!

505 Israelis….not 505 Israelis on a campus.
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I am unable to locate the poll questions or raw data for the iPanel survey, even going to Bar-Ilan University, or to iPanel; there are multiple articles about the poll however, and they all report exactly the same thing: 4% of respondents think Netanyahu is a reliable source of information on the war and the fact 505 Jewish-Israelis were polled.
A couple of the articles I read, not the one I linked, stated that the poll was done by iPanel on the Bar-Ilan University campus.
I am not going to waste time going through and rereading all the articles I read to find the ones were it states that it was done on campus.
I posted that link becuse it had comparisons to other polls over time.
Either way the sample size is 505 Jewish-Israelis.
There are just over 7 million Jewish-Israelis in Israel.
A sample size of .008%
 
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Be honest. How many posters here support this clear as day call for the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. I'm gonna use some posters' logic here and say, if you don't outright condemn something, it must mean you support it.

Butler1000 said:
Um, I 100% support Israel but the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians. It may take 50 years but its going to happen, with a small amount assimilating.



It and the West Bank and going to be resettled. They have to. Then the borders to the south with Egypt and Jordan can be better secured. And they will have defense in depth. Set up increased Iron Dome placements and secure Tel Aviv.



The Lebanese border and Syrian border will be threats for a while. But removing what are essentially interior security threats will go a long way.
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mandrill said:
I believe he lectures at the US Army staff college.

But of course, you are far more highly qualified. That's because you're an "anti colonialist".... right?
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For a guy who has never been to the middle east...kautliya is quite savvy about what's going on there... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Kautilya said:
I have no doubt he is qualified. He must be given his credentials. But I am talking about neutrality. He comes from a pro-Israel partisan country writing for pro-Israel partisan media. I will instead take a neutral UN observer or wait for the ICC investigation to conclude. I am pretty sure they will find evidence of war crimes by Israel.



When you think that travelling to the middle east somehow gives you more knowledge about the conflict than actual scholars on the subject. That's akin to conducting your own COVID research and refusing the vaccine. 😂
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Just because you didn't like what you're hearing doesn't mean he's pro-israel now...
 
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PeteOsborne said:
Misinformation, here is the actual result of the question from the actual poll.
NCCM took the results and combined three different response groupings to come up with 77%
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Here is the poll report.
https://files.constantcontact.com/3ffcf3a6301/7140687e-e4a8-453f-8827-9efbb6e6df4b.pdf
The interesting thing I noticed was that when asked " Would a politician calling for a ceasefire increase, decrease or have no impact on your favourability of them? (all voters)".
53% said it would have no impact on thier favourability of that politician.
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No Pete, you are wrong and your accusation of misinformation is ungrounded.

The statement on the image is correct, it states 77% of Canadians support a diplomatic solution OR taking no action.
That is backed up by the numbers you posted. This image was posted in response to Trudeau's government taking an active role by backing the Israeli position.

That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.

www.cjpme.org

Survey: Canadians view Israel as apartheid, not a vibrant democracy

A recent survey finds that when Canadians are presented with possible descriptions of Israel, the most popular opinion is that Israel is “a state with segregation similar to apartheid.” Only a small minority view Israel as a “vibrant democracy.” The findings provide a profound challenge to...
www.cjpme.org www.cjpme.org

 
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versitile1 said:
Be honest. How many posters here support this clear as day call for the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. I'm gonna use some posters' logic here and say, if you don't outright condemn something, it must mean you support it.
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Yup. Not because of me. Because the Palestinians at the moment are too stupid to accept peace.
 
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versitile1 said:
Be honest. How many posters here support this clear as day call for the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. I'm gonna use some posters' logic here and say, if you don't outright condemn something, it must mean you support it.
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Mandrill also supports full ethnic cleansing and collective punishment.
 
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Butler1000 said:
Yup. Not because of me. Because the Palestinians at the moment are too stupid to accept peace.
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Everyone here already knows where you stand, Slobodan. You should be happy I'm trying to find supporters for your plan of ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for Palestinian civilians.
 
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toguy5252 said:
but murdering raping, beheading, kidnapping people at a concert, babies, the elderly, infirm is ok an to be celebrated by people like gryphon and Frankie and their friends. You are still a truly sad and pathetic clown.
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No, toguy.

None of the violence is acceptable.
But in order to stop it you need to address the root problems.
The occupation and colonization of Palestine.

And since Palestine has been wiped off the maps the only peaceful solution is to end apartheid and give Palestinians full citizenship, human rights and the vote.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713551569096986677
 
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Frankfooter said:
Mandrill also supports full ethnic cleansing and collective punishment.
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As many Israeli supporters here do. Posters here calling for ethnic cleansing of Palestinian civilians, not one peep. Israel politicians calling for the "Gaza Nakba" and for Canada to take in 500,000 Palestinians, not one peep. Don't wanna cause a glitch in their group think/echo chamber. Their silence is deafening.
 
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Kautilya said:
I have no doubt he is qualified. He must be given his credentials. But I am talking about neutrality. He comes from a pro-Israel partisan country writing for pro-Israel partisan media. I will instead take a neutral UN observer or wait for the ICC investigation to conclude. I am pretty sure they will find evidence of war crimes by Israel.
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As would I, my post was in regards to your claim he was self professing himself as an expert.
 
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Frankfooter said:
No Pete, you are wrong and your accusation of misinformation is ungrounded.

The statement on the image is correct, it states 77% of Canadians support a diplomatic solution OR taking no action.
That is backed up by the numbers you posted. This image was posted in response to Trudeau's government taking an active role by backing the Israeli position.

That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid.

www.cjpme.org

Survey: Canadians view Israel as apartheid, not a vibrant democracy

A recent survey finds that when Canadians are presented with possible descriptions of Israel, the most popular opinion is that Israel is “a state with segregation similar to apartheid.” Only a small minority view Israel as a “vibrant democracy.” The findings provide a profound challenge to...
www.cjpme.org www.cjpme.org

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The way it is presented IS misinformation, taking results and combining them to present a point is misleading.
You said"That poll is not surprising either as 48% of Canadians think Israel is apartheid."
It is actually 48% of Canadians surveyed between the ages of 18-34 view Israel as a state with segregation similar to apartheid.
Even more precisely it states " A significant majority (64%) of NDP supporters view Israel as a state with segregation similar to apartheid, as do a majority (53%) of BQ supporters. Meanwhile, 33% of Liberal supporters view Israel in this way."
Your chart shows me:
38% of all Canadians believe Israel is a state with segregation similar to apartheid.
20% see it as a state with restricted minority rights.
31% see it as a flawed democracy.
11% see it as a vibrant democracy.
So I could make a chart saying that 89% of Canadians said that Israel is an apartheid state, a state with restricted minority rights or a flawed democracy.
You see how this is misleading? It leads you to believe that 89% of the respondents believed all 3.
Before you say misleading and misinformation are different, the definition of misinformation is "incorrect or misleading information".
 
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Frankfooter said:
I don't think the 75 year old occupation has been worth it for either people.
75 years of fighting, neither side are safe or happy.
Oct 7 was just one more day in 75 years of violent racism.
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Once again you attempt to justify the Oct. 7 attack which initiated this current conflict.

OK. Let's just say that they were justified, so you don't have to post any videos or history blah, blah, blah.

With what's happening in Gaza now, was Oct. 7 worth it? In retrospect do you think that it was a good move?

Yes or no or are going to:
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