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Insidious Von

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Cruyff was never banned from WC1978. He stayed home because of persistent death threats.
Players from the NASL were banned from competing in the 78WC. I didn't know why Cruyff would stay home if he was edible: WC74 Holland 4 Argentina 0.

So far only Real Madrid and Barcelona remain in the Super League. Based on CL merit (????) they would have the most to gain. Not sure why that is since the 12 clubs are supposed to be equal.

 
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scouser1

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Cruyff was never banned from WC1978. He stayed home because of persistent death threats.
He had death threats and kidnapping atttempt against him and his family, so he didnt go to the WC 78, damn shame one of the greatest players ever with one of the most entertaining football sides in history.

 
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I hope UEFA bans Perez permanently from football
 
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If this Super League decides to go ahead with no English Premier League Clubs being involved, no doubt that it will be a total and utter failure.
Having a Super League is something that can occur, but all the teams should have to battle for that privilege from those qualifying for the Euro Champions League. This should then be a tier above the Champions League with the bottom two clubs being relegated to play in the Champions League the following Season, whilst the two Champions League finalists being correspondingly promoted. However, those who are part of the Super League should also have to participate in their own domestic Leagues.
 

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If this Super League decides to go ahead with no English Premier League Clubs being involved, no doubt that it will be a total and utter failure.
Having a Super League is something that can occur, but all the teams should have to battle for that privilege from those qualifying for the Euro Champions League. This should then be a tier above the Champions League with the bottom two clubs being relegated to play in the Champions League the following Season, whilst the two Champions League finalists being correspondingly promoted. However, those who are part of the Super League should also have to participate in their own domestic Leagues.
The problem with that is it relegates to CL to as meaningless a competition as the EL. We would be right back to 15 years ago with the CL, Uefa Cup and Intertoto Cup and all the same issues. The EL like the old IC competition having too few dollars to make participating in the competition worthwhile and as for the CL well you would just turn the CL into the shit-show that is the EL currently. There's not enough $$$ for three tiers of Euro footy.

SL only makes sense if it is closed league - the teams can't be expected to model themselves after the NFL unless they can reasonably amortize the costs of very large stadiums etc... over long periods of time without risk of the revenue streams disappearing. And, the various levels of governments in the UK and Europe don't seem to keen to toss around money like their American counterparts.
 

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As far as I'm concerned the so called Euro Super League clubs can bugger off and start their own closed shop league, good riddance! But those clubs should no longer be allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues or Cup competitions. Sure, it'll dilute the talent available to domestic leagues quite a bit, but the major upside is domestic leagues would be a hell of a lot more competitive. As for the current Champions League, revert that back to the European Cup, when the respective CHAMPIONS of European Leagues got together for a tournament, running concurrent with domestic leagues the following season.

Similar plans are afoot in golf. Some 'nodding donkey' state has offered up eye watering amount of $$ for top golfers to start a league. Same thing should apply as footy. Sure, bugger off to the 'land of plenty more', but don't expect to play on the PGA Tour, European Tour, 4 established Majors, Ryder Cup, or Presidents Cup etc.

Can't have you're cake and eat it too!!
 
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bver_hunter

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The problem with that is it relegates to CL to as meaningless a competition as the EL. We would be right back to 15 years ago with the CL, Uefa Cup and Intertoto Cup and all the same issues. The EL like the old IC competition having too few dollars to make participating in the competition worthwhile and as for the CL well you would just turn the CL into the shit-show that is the EL currently. There's not enough $$$ for three tiers of Euro footy.

SL only makes sense if it is closed league - the teams can't be expected to model themselves after the NFL unless they can reasonably amortize the costs of very large stadiums etc... over long periods of time without risk of the revenue streams disappearing. And, the various levels of governments in the UK and Europe don't seem to keen to toss around money like their American counterparts.
Actually there is going to be a third tier of the European competitions next season. It is going to be the UEFA Conference League. This is designed to get teams to work hard to qualify for some sort of competition in the following season. No fans would want a separate closed Super League for whatever reason. The English Premier League attracts the most TV and fans coverage globally. Hence the reason that there was a fierce demonstration by Man U fans on Sunday, that resulted in the match against Liverpool being postponed. No one wants that NFL type of League to apply to the UEFA style Football. All the fans are in favour of promotions and relegations, including qualifications for the Euro Competitions:

 
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MadGeek

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Actually there is going to be a third tier of the European competitions next season. It is going to be the UEFA Conference League. This is designed to get teams to work hard to qualify for some sort of competition in the following season. No fans would want a separate closed Super League for whatever reason. The English Premier League attracts the most TV and fans coverage globally. Hence the reason that there was a fierce demonstration by Man U fans on Sunday, that resulted in the match against Liverpool being postponed. No one wants that NFL type of League to apply to the UEFA style Football. All the fans are in favour of promotions and relegations, including qualifications for the Euro Competitions:

UEFA Conference League will fail as spectacularly as the IC. Fans in the big leagues aren't interested in seeing their team fly off to Eastern Europe to play on some cow pasture. And good luck getting advertising $ and sponsor $. About the only upside is it gets the youth teams a run out.
 

MadGeek

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As far as I'm concerned the so called Euro Super League clubs can bugger off and start their own closed shop league, good riddance! But those clubs should no longer be allowed to compete in their respective domestic leagues or Cup competitions.
That's what they want for the reasons I mentioned above. They want a continental super league. If it happens I could see a 30 team league that only plays games within their league (end goal). The current generation of fans would hate it but over time each successive generation would buy into it.
 

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UEFA Conference League will fail as spectacularly as the IC. Fans in the big leagues aren't interested in seeing their team fly off to Eastern Europe to play on some cow pasture. And good luck getting advertising $ and sponsor $. About the only upside is it gets the youth teams a run out.
Well we will see as those in the prestigious leagues like the EPL will make it to the last 16. Lots of club fans in the EPL and other big Leagues want to see their teams bringing in some sort of trophies. That is why it is being organized differently from the Intertoto Cup qualifiers and hence they do not have to play some small teams from Albania or Eritrea. Well some of these smaller nations will have the opportunity to put out their teams that may have a chance of displaying some of their home grown talents. If they manage to make it in the last 16 or even an outside chance of winning it, then that is a great way to encourage that sport in their nations.
 

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Insidious Von

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The super league is dead. How dare billionaires ruin European football for money?
It's not that simple, look at this year's CL. All the unlimited funding clubs made the semi-finals of the CL (PSG, ManCity and Chelsea). They are responsible for throwing the transfer system beyond any financial base. In the future they will be the only clubs competing for the Champion's Cup. PSG, for example, can buy the rest of Ligue 1 five times over.

 
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bver_hunter

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It's not that simple, look at this year's CL. All the unlimited funding clubs made the semi-finals of the CL (PSG, ManCity and Chelsea). They are responsible for throwing the transfer system beyond any financial base. In the future they will be the only clubs competing for the Champion's Cup. PSG, for example, can buy the rest of Ligue 1 five times over.

The fact is that the Super League will not survive without any fans. No Football fans want a monopoly to operate in Football like it currently does in the NHL, MLB etc. The monopoly dictates what and who clubs can acquire in transfer windows and recruitment processes. All fans prefer to see home grown talents thrive within their clubs rather than put up for auctions to try and balance teams as in a monopoly. Funny enough that Barcelona who are in a dire financial situation do prefer to stay in the SL along with Real Madrid.
 

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The fact is that the Super League will not survive without any fans. No Football fans want a monopoly to operate in Football like it currently does in the NHL, MLB etc. The monopoly dictates what and who clubs can acquire in transfer windows and recruitment processes. All fans prefer to see home grown talents thrive within their clubs rather than put up for auctions to try and balance teams as in a monopoly. Funny enough that Barcelona who are in a dire financial situation do prefer to stay in the SL along with Real Madrid.

Add the fact that tickets would 3X higher too.
 

Insidious Von

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Trouble in Zebraland, Exor President John Elkann isn't happy with his cousin Andrea Agnielli getting suckered in by Florentino Perez. He could be forced to step down as Juventus President after all.

 

danmand

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Trouble in Zebraland, Exor President John Elkann isn't happy with his cousin Andrea Agnielli getting suckered in by Florentino Perez. He could be forced to step down as Juventus President after all.

I told you.
 
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