Exactly which is why we have not heard a peep out of a giant like Bayern Munich, hell even RB Leipzig who are the most hated team in Germany because of how they have managed to skirt around this rule have come out against this Super League.
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Neville sums it all up.
Sky Sports Premier League on Twitter: "
| "I'm a #MUFC fan and I'm absolutely disgusted." 
| "They are an absolute joke." @GNev2 gives a brutally honest reaction to reports that England's biggest clubs are expected to be part of plans for a breakaway European Super League. https://t.co/VfJccHgybc" / Twitter
Sky Sports Premier League on Twitter: "
| "I'm a #MUFC fan and I'm absolutely disgusted." | "They are an absolute joke." @GNev2 gives a brutally honest reaction to reports that England's biggest clubs are expected to be part of plans for a breakaway European Super League. https://t.co/VfJccHgybc" / TwitterYou're thinking as a fan. This is about money, not trophies, or more to the point: potential money. Oh and certainty; a disastrous domestic campaign doesn't derail future years since the Super league will likely gobble up the majority of broadcast dollars and the revenue stream will be more stable as a result for the 12 clubs with no relegation.
As for Spurs.
1. Their new multi-use stadium is a blue print for designing a stadium.
Some background on Tottenham's stadium (ignore the Covid doom and gloom): https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakgar...will-be-the-last-of-its-kind/?sh=398fd946b5bf
The new ground is designed to maximise revenue at all times, not just match-days.
Levy understands there is little point investing a billion dollars in an asset which only brings in cash every two weeks.
Engineers were challenged to build a venue with as much earning potential as possible. The stadium has the world’s first three-piece movable soccer pitch, with an American Football surface beneath it for holding NFL games. While the concourses are pillar-less so they can host conferences with ease.
Or as Spurs’ statement confirming the loan puts it “the club has opened a multi-use venue designed to deliver diversified revenue streams.”
2. Spurs are in the top 10 for valuation so why wouldn't you include them?
3. Spurs NFL deal is an opportunity to get European soccer into North American households as much as it get's the NFL into the UK (and Europe).
So let me get this straight, Juventus wouldn't get relegated even though they suck? No wonder Andrea Agnelli came out in favour of a SL.
There will be no relegation and no promotions. It will be a monopoly as the NFL and the NHL. The league will need exemption from the monopoly laws as the NFL and NHL, which they will never get in Europe. The League is shot before it plays its first game.
Designed from the get-go to be a closed league for the initial 12 (or 15). Only the 5 or 8 that join later can get relegated out of the super league. Mitigation of risk from losses due to relegation or missing out on European competitions really is the reason the 12 want this league. It promotes stability for longer term projects - as Spurs are finding out with their new stadium.
The 12 clubs cannot possibly have believed that the national football federations and UEFA would allow this construct. It must be a play to gain some advantage in the negotiations about the expansion of the Champions League.
A smaller tournament with more big name matchups and ppv $$$ rather than a larger tournament is what their probably after. None of the 'big 12' are interested in going to eastern Europe mid week to play on some cow pasture.
UK government got involved
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden vows the Government will try to kill the rebel European Super League | Daily Mail Online
they might end with a German style club ownership scenario
Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden vows the Government will try to kill the rebel European Super League | Daily Mail Online
they might end with a German style club ownership scenario
The Glazers through Manchester Uniteds Ed Woodward are behind the Super League. There are many advantages to the OWNERS under this closed monopoly system. Predictability of income, salary lids for players, averageing of club strength etc.
It is clearly modeled upon NFL. The UK should not have allowed Americans to own football clubs.
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European Super League a 'spit in the face of all football lovers', says Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin
Last updated on19 April 202119 April 2021.From the sectionFootball
'It's a time of great concern' - Lineker on European Super League
The European Super League (ESL) is a "disgraceful, self-serving" plan and a "spit in the face of football lovers", says Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin.
He also said players who play for teams involved in the closed league would be "banned from the World Cup and Euros".
Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham are among 12 clubs who have agreed to join the proposed ESL.
UK culture secretary Oliver Dowden announced a fan-led review of football.
Dowden said the review had been brought forward and would offer a "root and branch" review of the sport, covering finance, governance and regulation.
He said while football's authorities are equipped to handle the proposed ESL breakaway, the UK government would provide "full backing".
"Be in no doubt, if they can't act, we will," added Dowden. "We will put everything on the table to prevent this from happening. We are examining every option. Put simply, we will be reviewing everything the government does to support these clubs."
Labour welcomed Dowden's statement but said it was "short on detail and the urgency this situation merits".
A YouGov poll of 1,730 football fans found 79% opposed the idea of a European Super League, with 68% of those polled stating they are strongly opposed to the move.
"We will do whatever it takes to protect our national game" – Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden
Ceferin, who has been Uefa president since 2016, has overseen an agreement on a new-look 36-team Champions League but made clear his disdain for the ESL project.
"We are all united against this nonsense of a project," he said.
"I cannot stress more strongly how everyone is united against these disgraceful, self-serving proposals, fuelled by greed above all else.
"[It is a] cynical plan, completely against what football should be. We cannot and will not allow that to change.
"Players who will play in the teams that might play in the closed league will be banned from the World Cup and Euros. We urge everyone to stand tall with us as we do everything in our power to ensure this never ends up in fruition.
"This idea is a spit in the face of all football lovers. We will not allow them to take it away from us."
After it was announced on Sunday, Fifa expressed its "disapproval" of the proposed competition and called on "all parties involved in heated discussions to engage in calm, constructive and balanced dialogue for the good of the game".
World football's governing body previously said it would not recognise such a competition and any players involved could be denied the chance to play at a World Cup.
The 14 Premier League clubs not signed up to the ESL will meet on Tuesday to assess the proposals and consider a response.
On Monday, Ceferin reiterated clubs and players involved with the ESL could be banned "as soon as possible" from all Uefa competitions.
"We're still assessing with our legal team but we will take all the sanctions that we can and we will inform you as soon we can," he said.
"My opinion is that as soon as possible they have to be banned from all our competitions and the players from all our competitions."
Agnelli was also a long-time president of the European Club Association (ECA), from which all 12 clubs involved in the ESL have resigned.
"He's probably one of the biggest disappointments, or the biggest disappointment of all," said Ceferin.
"I don't want to be too personal. But the fact is that I've never seen a person that would lie so many times, so persistently that he did was unbelievable.
"I spoke with him also on Saturday afternoon. He said, 'These are all only rumours. Don't worry, nothing is going on'. And then he said, 'I'll call you in one hour'. And he turned off the phone."
On Woodward, Ceferin added: "I didn't have much contact with him but he called me last Thursday in the evening saying that he's very satisfied with the [Champions League] reforms, that he fully supports the reforms, and that the only thing he would like to speak about is about financial fair play.
"And obviously he already signed something else."
Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel, the only manager of one of England's 'big six' joining the ESL to speak so far, said he "trusts the club to make the right decisions".
"I've know since yesterday but I am here to be in the hardest competition, it's why I came here to play the toughest competitions," he said.
"I am part of this club and I trust this club to make the right decisions. I think it's too early to judge everything and it's not my part. On my badge it says that everyone has to play their role. My role is to coach, be focused, and we've another game tomorrow."
'A grotesque concept'
Earlier on Monday, Aston Villa chief executive Christian Purslow said the ESL was a "grotesque concept" and goes against everything football stands for.
"These proposals do away with sporting merit," Purslow told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"It would enable a small number of clubs to be in this competition come what may and, for millions of people in football, that goes against everything the sport means and stands for.
"The idea is that the uncertainty that comes with sport, that makes it so compelling, that we all love, is actually damaging to the business models of these huge clubs.
"So the scheme is designed to take away that uncertainty, to give predictability to their businesses so that, if they're badly managed or have a poor year, they're still in the premier tournament.
"Does that sound like sport or football to you? To me it sounds a grotesque concept."
Writing on Twitter, Leeds owner Andrea Radrizzani said: "Absolutely against the sporting spirit, the dream of millions of fans to conquer the champions on the field, with planning, vision, work. Kill dreams of players and fans.
"The teams are fans and WE are custodians of the club."
Southampton boss Ralph Hasenhuttl reiterated his opposition to the move.
"There cannot be any other opinion about it. It's a big threat, what I see coming up - war, if you want, from the big clubs," he said.
"We will see what the future brings but it's a big threat and we have to fight against it.
"I hope we have the fans with us, and without the fans football won't work. They have a lot of power, these big clubs."
And Preston North End, one of the Football League's 12 founding clubs in 1888, said the breakaway could "destroy nearly 150 years of football history for short-term riches for the few".
North End won the first two league titles and the club's statement went on: "The underlying principle that these breakaway clubs appear to have completely disregarded is that football is most importantly about its supporters.
"This European Super League plan has totally ignored their voice, which is unacceptable."
Last updated on19 April 202119 April 2021.From the sectionFootball
'It's a time of great concern' - Lineker on European Super League
The European Super League (ESL) is a "disgraceful, self-serving" plan and a "spit in the face of football lovers", says Uefa president Aleksander Ceferin.
He also said players who play for teams involved in the closed league would be "banned from the World Cup and Euros".
Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham are among 12 clubs who have agreed to join the proposed ESL.
UK culture secretary Oliver Dowden announced a fan-led review of football.
Dowden said the review had been brought forward and would offer a "root and branch" review of the sport, covering finance, governance and regulation.
He said while football's authorities are equipped to handle the proposed ESL breakaway, the UK government would provide "full backing".
"Be in no doubt, if they can't act, we will," added Dowden. "We will put everything on the table to prevent this from happening. We are examining every option. Put simply, we will be reviewing everything the government does to support these clubs."
Labour welcomed Dowden's statement but said it was "short on detail and the urgency this situation merits".
A YouGov poll of 1,730 football fans found 79% opposed the idea of a European Super League, with 68% of those polled stating they are strongly opposed to the move.
"We will do whatever it takes to protect our national game" – Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden
Ceferin, who has been Uefa president since 2016, has overseen an agreement on a new-look 36-team Champions League but made clear his disdain for the ESL project.
"We are all united against this nonsense of a project," he said.
"I cannot stress more strongly how everyone is united against these disgraceful, self-serving proposals, fuelled by greed above all else.
"[It is a] cynical plan, completely against what football should be. We cannot and will not allow that to change.
"Players who will play in the teams that might play in the closed league will be banned from the World Cup and Euros. We urge everyone to stand tall with us as we do everything in our power to ensure this never ends up in fruition.
"This idea is a spit in the face of all football lovers. We will not allow them to take it away from us."
After it was announced on Sunday, Fifa expressed its "disapproval" of the proposed competition and called on "all parties involved in heated discussions to engage in calm, constructive and balanced dialogue for the good of the game".
World football's governing body previously said it would not recognise such a competition and any players involved could be denied the chance to play at a World Cup.
The 14 Premier League clubs not signed up to the ESL will meet on Tuesday to assess the proposals and consider a response.
On Monday, Ceferin reiterated clubs and players involved with the ESL could be banned "as soon as possible" from all Uefa competitions.
"We're still assessing with our legal team but we will take all the sanctions that we can and we will inform you as soon we can," he said.
"My opinion is that as soon as possible they have to be banned from all our competitions and the players from all our competitions."
Agnelli was also a long-time president of the European Club Association (ECA), from which all 12 clubs involved in the ESL have resigned.
"He's probably one of the biggest disappointments, or the biggest disappointment of all," said Ceferin.
"I don't want to be too personal. But the fact is that I've never seen a person that would lie so many times, so persistently that he did was unbelievable.
"I spoke with him also on Saturday afternoon. He said, 'These are all only rumours. Don't worry, nothing is going on'. And then he said, 'I'll call you in one hour'. And he turned off the phone."
On Woodward, Ceferin added: "I didn't have much contact with him but he called me last Thursday in the evening saying that he's very satisfied with the [Champions League] reforms, that he fully supports the reforms, and that the only thing he would like to speak about is about financial fair play.
"And obviously he already signed something else."
Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel, the only manager of one of England's 'big six' joining the ESL to speak so far, said he "trusts the club to make the right decisions".
"I've know since yesterday but I am here to be in the hardest competition, it's why I came here to play the toughest competitions," he said.
"I am part of this club and I trust this club to make the right decisions. I think it's too early to judge everything and it's not my part. On my badge it says that everyone has to play their role. My role is to coach, be focused, and we've another game tomorrow."
'A grotesque concept'
Earlier on Monday, Aston Villa chief executive Christian Purslow said the ESL was a "grotesque concept" and goes against everything football stands for.
"These proposals do away with sporting merit," Purslow told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"It would enable a small number of clubs to be in this competition come what may and, for millions of people in football, that goes against everything the sport means and stands for.
"The idea is that the uncertainty that comes with sport, that makes it so compelling, that we all love, is actually damaging to the business models of these huge clubs.
"So the scheme is designed to take away that uncertainty, to give predictability to their businesses so that, if they're badly managed or have a poor year, they're still in the premier tournament.
"Does that sound like sport or football to you? To me it sounds a grotesque concept."
Writing on Twitter, Leeds owner Andrea Radrizzani said: "Absolutely against the sporting spirit, the dream of millions of fans to conquer the champions on the field, with planning, vision, work. Kill dreams of players and fans.
"The teams are fans and WE are custodians of the club."
Southampton boss Ralph Hasenhuttl reiterated his opposition to the move.
"There cannot be any other opinion about it. It's a big threat, what I see coming up - war, if you want, from the big clubs," he said.
"We will see what the future brings but it's a big threat and we have to fight against it.
"I hope we have the fans with us, and without the fans football won't work. They have a lot of power, these big clubs."
And Preston North End, one of the Football League's 12 founding clubs in 1888, said the breakaway could "destroy nearly 150 years of football history for short-term riches for the few".
North End won the first two league titles and the club's statement went on: "The underlying principle that these breakaway clubs appear to have completely disregarded is that football is most importantly about its supporters.
"This European Super League plan has totally ignored their voice, which is unacceptable."
That's where the greed comes in. You look at teams like Ajax or Porto with more European honours that are not in it. Although, Porto did say they were approached but turned it down.
Agreed but the 12 likely don't want an expanded CL either if they don't get their super league. I'm thinking their angling to get the CL reduced in size. Look at the standings from group stage:
Champions League 2020/2021 Standings - Football/Europe
Follow Champions League 2020/2021 standings, overall, home/away and form (last 5 games) Champions League 2020/2021 standings.
www.flashscore.com
There's 8 teams that should not have been in the CL this year.
Group A - Lokomotiv Moscow
Group C - Olympiacos Priraeus, Marseille
Group D - Midjylland
Group E - Rennes
Group F - Zenit
Group G - Ferencvaros
Group H - Basaksehir
For the PL teams reducing the group stage to 24 teams cuts two group stage games if they keep the 8 groups. That's significantly less wear and tear on your players if the December fixture congestion can be alleviated as a result (some games moved to Oct/Nov). Take Manchester United: from Nov 29th to January 1st they played 11 games - 2 CL, 8 PL and 1 cup game. For the CL, start the group stage in Sept. and your finished by October. That's two less games in November and two less games in December. You move two PL games from December to November and now you have both months with 6 PL games each. The four PL teams even with the loss of a home game would probably jump at the opportunity especially since the corresponding away game is usually a lengthy flight across the continent.
I disagree, the whole concept of a pyramid structure for sports team is that teams get a chance to be promoted to the higher level. Take that away, and the games are just friendlies.
It's a balancing act. You need to protect the integrity of the tournament and letting in teams that are clearly not up to the standard of the competition go against that. Every year we see the same thing: 8 or so teams that are nothing more than cannon fodder. As it stands now CL is too watered down.
Hes also part owner of Salford City so he has a personal financial incentive to lead the crying brigade against this. He’s been like a one man crying train since the news broke.Neville sums it all up.
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I do not agree with that. The salaries are paid because the owners can. And they make a bet that it will be profitable. It often is.
This is about a bunch of billionaires who want's to make sure the money flows into the same pocket (theirs) year after year instead of teams like Porto or Lille and other smaller club who dare knock them out of the champions league.
Chelsea and Mancity tossing in the towel (rumour).
Chelsea AND Man City 'prepare to pull out of Super League': Big Six breakaway alliance crumbles as clubs 'request withdrawal' amid fan fury at greedy billionaire owners' plans
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Chelsea AND Man City 'prepare to pull out of Super League': Big Six breakaway alliance crumbles as clubs 'request withdrawal' amid fan fury at greedy billionaire owners' plans
Chelsea and City 'preparing to pull out of European Super League'
Plans for a breakaway European Super League have tonight been left in tatters amid reports Chelsea and Manchester City could pull out of the competition after a huge backlash from fans.
