End the Lockdown

[Malibuk]

When until a few weeks ago many hospitals were overwhelmed with patients, had to delay non critical surgeries etc, of course they can not tie up beds when the have such a shortage of nurses etc., epecially in NYC. NY had to bring in an army of nurses and doctors from all over the US to relieve overworked staff and major hospitals esepecially in NY but also other cities.

Holding off on elective and non-critical surgery is a prudent call, even in Canada where we never came close to exceeding capacity.

NYC was by far the worst hit city and the situation was grim so Trump sent the navy ship as backup.
It turned out that the ship wasn`t need and ended up barely used.
No other US city has come even remotely close to the situation in NYC.

What other US cities came close to their health system capacity?
I am not aware of a single one.

Nearly 90% of the US Navy hospital ship in New York is empty amid coronavirus fight
WASHINGTON — The USNS Comfort hospital ship holds fewer than 80 patients in New York City, leaving nearly 90% of its available space unused after its emergency dispatch to the U.S. epicenter of the coronavirus crisis.
Shortly after arriving from its home port in Norfolk, Virginia, the military’s floating lifesaver was adjusted to receive coronavirus patients, halving its 1,000-bed capacity. As of Friday, 71 of the USNS Comfort’s 500 beds were occupied.
During a White House briefing Friday, President Donald Trump said the lack of patients on the ship showed that New York City was healing.
“They didn’t need it, that’s a good thing. That’s such a good thing. I think that shows that New York’s making progress,” Trump said.

 

[canada-man]

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

I don't have time to watch a 20 min video, but at the beginning, it tells of the overwhelmed hospitals opposite the title. Probably in the last few weeks, few patients as the rate of new infections were much lower than what the Trump team had projected, and hospitals had to plan for.

In Arizona, we are starting to allow elective surgeries again as long as a hospital maintains two weeks supply of personal protection equipment and has at least 20% unused capacity. Hospitals in total were losing $400-$500million a week not having elective procedures done and the massive cost of COVIG 19 care.

 

[shack]

There only are 2.8 million cases worldwide
800,000 of those are active USA cases (UK at 135K & Italy at 108K are nowhere close)

Most of Euro & Asia seem well done at this point


Most of the news is a hoax, but it seems likely due to large US spike they very well did have shortages
But really nowhere else does

How's this? Your posts are a hoax, so you lose the debate. Now I see how easy it is to debate like a right-winger.

 

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How's this? Your posts are a hoax, so you lose the debate. Now I see how easy it is to debate like a right-winger.

You can't help but laugh at the idiocy of Teejay's post. I suspect he counts gumballs in a candy shop for a living.

 

[SchlongConery]

You can't help but laugh at the idiocy of Teejay's post. I suspect he counts gumballs in a candy shop for a living.

So he is also a Mathematician as well as an Epidemiologist?

 

[canada-man]

Bill O'Reilly to Newsmax TV: Only 2 More Weeks Before People Say, 'Enough'



Americans' patience with social distancing and stay-at-home, no-work orders is running thin, and it will be just two more weeks until they collectively say, "enough," according to Bill O'Reilly on Newsmax TV.

"The authorities, the powers that be, have two more weeks – of cloistering people, of shelter in place," O'Reilly told Wednesday "Greg Kelly Reports." "Two weeks. You're seeing a crack now. Over the weekend it was anarchy in Huntington Beach, Orange County, California."

O'Reilly also pointed to uprisings against draconian measures in Michigan and Brooklyn, New York, adding Americans will be fine with wearing face coverings in public through the summer, but they will not stand for staying home any longer than two more weeks.

"It's starting to crack," O'Reilly added to host Greg Kelly. "We've got two more weeks of this, then people are going to say, 'enough.'"

O'Reilly lamented the media coverage of the pandemic has proven to be more dangerous than the "temporary" virus.

"Right now in America, we have a media that hates Trump – 80% of the media in America despise him," he said. "So every news story, including the pandemic, is tilted, spun in a direction to make the president of the United States look bad.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/bill-oreilly-liberal-media-hate-trump/2020/04/29/id/965321/

 

[John Henry]

Bill O'Reilly to Newsmax TV: Only 2 More Weeks Before People Say, 'Enough'



Americans' patience with social distancing and stay-at-home, no-work orders is running thin, and it will be just two more weeks until they collectively say, "enough," according to Bill O'Reilly on Newsmax TV.

"The authorities, the powers that be, have two more weeks – of cloistering people, of shelter in place," O'Reilly told Wednesday "Greg Kelly Reports." "Two weeks. You're seeing a crack now. Over the weekend it was anarchy in Huntington Beach, Orange County, California."

O'Reilly also pointed to uprisings against draconian measures in Michigan and Brooklyn, New York, adding Americans will be fine with wearing face coverings in public through the summer, but they will not stand for staying home any longer than two more weeks.

"It's starting to crack," O'Reilly added to host Greg Kelly. "We've got two more weeks of this, then people are going to say, 'enough.'"

O'Reilly lamented the media coverage of the pandemic has proven to be more dangerous than the "temporary" virus.

"Right now in America, we have a media that hates Trump – 80% of the media in America despise him," he said. "So every news story, including the pandemic, is tilted, spun in a direction to make the president of the United States look bad.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/bill-oreilly-liberal-media-hate-trump/2020/04/29/id/965321/

Who gives a shit what Bill O'Reilly has to say or think . He doesn't live in the real world . He's an Orange Man backer and a stupid Republican that got run out of Fox News .

Bill O'Reilly is FAKE NEWS ..... No need to spin anything to make the Orange Man look bad . He's doing a great job doing that himself . All they do is report what he says .

Did you hear the one that this will all blow over in a few days . That America is ready for the Virus . Here's one for you . Stick a light up your ass and kill the virus . Take bleach or Lysol to kill the virus .

Orange Man's ratings are going down yet Governors who have stayed the course and have kept the lock downs in place are getting very high ratings .

Did you hear Fox News say that the virus was a Democratic plot against the Orange Man . Now they are back peddling on that thought . LOL

Only the ignorant Orange Man voters are complaining . They're too stupid to understand what's going on . Orange Man loves the ignorant people . Apparently we have a few over here . They are a very small minority . Who gives a fuck what they have to say .

 

[canada-man]

Who gives a shit what Bill O'Reilly has to say or think . He doesn't live in the real world . He's an Orange Man backer and a stupid Republican that got run out of Fox News .

Bill O'Reilly is FAKE NEWS ..... No need to spin anything to make the Orange Man look bad . He's doing a great job doing that himself . All they do is report what he says .

Did you hear the one that this will all blow over in a few days . That America is ready for the Virus . Here's one for you . Stick a light up your ass and kill the virus . Take bleach or Lysol to kill the virus .

Orange Man's ratings are going down yet Governors who have stayed the course and have kept the lock downs in place are getting very high ratings .

Only the ignorant Orange Man voters are complaining . They're too stupid to understand what's going on . Orange Man loves the ignorant people . Apparently we have a few over here . They are a very small minority . Who gives a fuck what they have to say .

my rights do not end where you fears begins.

 

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my rights do not end where you fears begins.

Your rights end when exercising your rights may kill or harm others.

 

[J.A. Prufrock]

Who gives a shit what Bill O'Reilly has to say or think . He doesn't live in the real world . He's an Orange Man backer and a stupid Republican that got run out of Fox News .

Bill O'Reilly is FAKE NEWS ..... No need to spin anything to make the Orange Man look bad . He's doing a great job doing that himself . All they do is report what he says .

Did you hear the one that this will all blow over in a few days . That America is ready for the Virus . Here's one for you . Stick a light up your ass and kill the virus . Take bleach or Lysol to kill the virus .

Orange Man's ratings are going down yet Governors who have stayed the course and have kept the lock downs in place are getting very high ratings .

Did you hear Fox News say that the virus was a Democratic plot against the Orange Man . Now they are back peddling on that thought . LOL

Only the ignorant Orange Man voters are complaining . They're too stupid to understand what's going on . Orange Man loves the ignorant people . Apparently we have a few over here . They are a very small minority . Who gives a fuck what they have to say .

+ 10 trillion.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Long Long ago, in the distant past, I liked O'Reilly. But then he just started to leap from the real world facts to the Trump world fantasies and Fox fake news to aid Putin's cause to sow discord in the US.

Legitimate polls show overwhelming support to keep the lockdown in place as long as needed to be safe, including the vast majority of Republicans.

Republican Jeff Flake (yes his name) AZ Senator 2013-2019 is doing ads here how Republicans have to step up and reclaim their party from the Trump who has been such a disaster for the party. Arizona is now considered a swing state.

BTW I use to be a die-hard Republican (also evangelical Christian), but wisdom and carefully researching facts have turned me. However, I agree with both sides on some issues, so consider myself an Independent.

 

[jcpro]

Who gives a shit what Bill O'Reilly has to say or think . He doesn't live in the real world . He's an Orange Man backer and a stupid Republican that got run out of Fox News .

Bill O'Reilly is FAKE NEWS ..... No need to spin anything to make the Orange Man look bad . He's doing a great job doing that himself . All they do is report what he says .

Did you hear the one that this will all blow over in a few days . That America is ready for the Virus . Here's one for you . Stick a light up your ass and kill the virus . Take bleach or Lysol to kill the virus .

Orange Man's ratings are going down yet Governors who have stayed the course and have kept the lock downs in place are getting very high ratings .

Did you hear Fox News say that the virus was a Democratic plot against the Orange Man . Now they are back peddling on that thought . LOL

Only the ignorant Orange Man voters are complaining . They're too stupid to understand what's going on . Orange Man loves the ignorant people . Apparently we have a few over here . They are a very small minority . Who gives a fuck what they have to say .

LOL! Don't worry. As soon as O'Reilly trashes the Orange Man, you will fall in love with Bill. It's as predictable as the lefty orgasmic discharges for David Frum that rival the 4th of July fireworks.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

On the Hillary Clinton footnote on building a barrier - fact check:
However, there are significant differences between the fence Clinton voted for, and the wall Trump pitched during the campaign, which he promised would be an impenetrable, physical, tall and "beautiful" wall that Mexico would pay for.

The plans Trump articulated for the wall during the campaign were somewhat vague and inconsistent.

He said the wall didn't need to run the nearly 2,000 miles of the border, but about 1,000 miles because of natural barriers. He said it could cost between $8 billion and $12 billion, be made of precast concrete, and rise 35 to 40 feet, or 50 feet, or higher.

In any case, Trump himself criticized the 2006 fence as too modest during the 2016 election. "Now we got lucky because it was such a little wall, it was such a nothing wall, no, they couldn't get their environmental -- probably a snake was in the way or a toad," Trump said. (Actually, the project didn’t face environmental hurdles; we rated that part of the claim Mostly False.)

 

[John Henry]

my rights do not end where you fears begins.

You have rights . Since when . You are told when you can shop . How fast you can drive and where . Where you can park your car . You can't even enjoy a picnic on the beach right now . Don't pay your property taxes and see what happens . You can't even pay someone to give you a blow job . LOL .You can't carry a hand gun in public to protect yourself . Even if you had a hand gun you can't shoot it on your property even if you had 1000 acres .

You are told what you can own .

You spend time on a review board crying about your rights . Go protest with the other low lives . You have the right to protest in public .

You have been told what you can do or not for your entire miserable life . You are a slave to Ford and Trudeau . They tell you what you can do . You can't even cross into another province unless you live there right now .

Oh yea . You have rights . My fears Yes I have fears . Are you not afraid of anything . If not than you are a fool .

The only right you have is the right to die. I'll bet if you got sick you'd be the first one to run to the hospital because you have RIGHTS . FOOL .

You are just as dumb as those who say there is nothing to fear . You remind me of those that say God will protect you . Many pastors in the US have said that and where are they now . DEAD . They had rights and look where those rights got them .

You have RIGHTS . :biggrin:

 

[John Henry]

LOL! Don't worry. As soon as O'Reilly trashes the Orange Man, you will fall in love with Bill. It's as predictable as the lefty orgasmic discharges for David Frum that rival the 4th of July fireworks.

Never . Bill O'Reilly is a piece of shit and always will be .

 

[shack]

Republican Jeff Flake (yes his name) AZ Senator 2013-2019 is doing ads here how Republicans have to step up and reclaim their party from the Trump who has been such a disaster for the party. Arizona is now considered a swing state.

I have no issue with his message, but he is one big fucking pussy. He Flaked out when he had a chance to make a difference. He towed the party line timidly like all the others and kept his mouth shut like a good sycophant. It was only when he announced that he would not be running again that he made some speech in the Senate against trump. But even then, I believe he still kept voting along party lines. Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe that he voted for the health bill that John McCain gave the thumbs down to.

Does he have a following or is he irrelevant because HE DID NOT STEP UP.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

In Flake's last few years in the Senate, his disapproval ratings soared. Republicans didn't like him since he disliked their hero Trump so much. And of course, Democrats and Independents like myself disagreed with most of his policy positions.

I disagree with Flake on most all of his political stances other than of course being outspoken against Trump more on his personal integrity rather than policy. Flake does seem like someone you could have an intelligent discussion with even if you disagreed with him on issues.

On October 24, 2017, Flake announced in a speech that he would not seek a second term in the Senate. Flake's speech, which was described by McKay Coppins as a "thundering indictment of his party, his president, and his country's political culture," was called "the most important speech of 2017" by Chris Cillizza.

In May 2018, Flake stated that he would donate to Democratic Senator Joe Manchin's campaign if Don Blankenship (who had served time in prison) won the West Virginia Republican Senate primary. Blankenship was defeated by Patrick Morrisey

Flake is known as a vocal critic of Republican President Donald Trump. Trump was "furious" that Flake called on him to withdraw from the presidential race after the emergence of the Access Hollywood tape. In August, 2017, Flake published his book Conscience of a Conservative: A Rejection of Destructive Politics and a Return to Principle, which expanded on his criticisms of Donald Trump. As of December 2018, according to FiveThirtyEight, Flake had voted with Trump's position on legislative issues 84% of the time.

 

[squeezer]

You have rights . Since when . You are told when you can shop . How fast you can drive and where . Where you can park your car . You can't even enjoy a picnic on the beach right now . Don't pay your property taxes and see what happens . You can't even pay someone to give you a blow job . LOL .You can't carry a hand gun in public to protect yourself . Even if you had a hand gun you can't shoot it on your property even if you had 1000 acres .

You are told what you can own .

You spend time on a review board crying about your rights . Go protest with the other low lives . You have the right to protest in public .

You have been told what you can do or not for your entire miserable life . You are a slave to Ford and Trudeau . They tell you what you can do . You can't even cross into another province unless you live there right now .

Oh yea . You have rights . My fears Yes I have fears . Are you not afraid of anything . If not than you are a fool .

The only right you have is the right to die. I'll bet if you got sick you'd be the first one to run to the hospital because you have RIGHTS . FOOL .

You are just as dumb as those who say there is nothing to fear . You remind me of those that say God will protect you . Many pastors in the US have said that and where are they now . DEAD . They had rights and look where those rights got them .

You have RIGHTS . :biggrin:

LMFAO, I'm glad I had the right to enjoy this post!

 

[Malibuk]

Infectious disease research warns coronavirus pandemic could last two years
A new report is predicting that the coronavirus pandemic may last as long as two years and that it could take up to two-thirds of the global population being immune to effectively control the spread of the virus.
The report released Thursday from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota said that due to coronavirus's ability to spread among people who appear to be asymptomatic, it may be harder to control than flu outbreaks or other pandemics.
Infected people may also be at their most infectious prior to symptoms appearing, Bloomberg News reported.
"The virus caught the global community off guard, and its future course is still highly unpredictable; there is no crystal ball to tell us what the future holds and what the 'end game' for controlling this pandemic will be," the report says.
Researchers say in the report that, based on their assessment of eight major pandemics that have occurred since the early 1700s and the lack of immunity to coronavirus around the world, among other factors, the length of the coronavirus pandemic will likely be 18 to 24 months, as "herd immunity gradually develops in the human population." Herd immunity occurs when a large amount of the population becomes immune through either inoculation or recovery from an infection.
The report adds that 60 to 70 percent of the population "may need to be immune to reach a critical threshold of herd immunity to halt the pandemic."
"This thing's not going to stop until it infects 60 to 70 percent of people," Mike Osterholm, who directs the CIDRAP, told CNN.
"The idea that this is going to be done soon defies microbiology," he added.
The researchers made multiple recommendations, calling for states, territories and tribal health authorities to plan for the "worst case scenario... including no vaccine availability or herd immunity." They also called for health officials to develop strategies to protect health care workers and plans to deal with "disease peaks when they occur."
"Risk communication messaging from government officials should incorporate the concept that this pandemic will not be over soon and that people need to be prepared for possible periodic resurgences of disease over the next 2 years," the report warned.