End the Lockdown

[G.D. Gentleman]

Unfortunately you are immune to the facts and data, it is not my suggestion that a 14 day decline is important. Facts and data have shown us a 14 day cycle is associated with the Coronavirus (I've told you this 10's of times now and you still don't understand and try to question this important fact).
Unfortunately now for some of the same crowd "Open Businesses now" they are trying to question the amount of testing as a way to call into question the using of a 14 day decline of the number of confirmed cases.
It doesn't matter if you think the number of confirmed cases are not trustworthy in comparison to the testing as again that is a non factual feeling of yours. Canada's testing if not better than the very high majority of other nations is on par with the majority of other western nations who are fairly populated (excluding Germany), and Ontario is no different and I've posted this numerous times.

Unfortunately you don't like my posts because I called you out for using videos and articles and made posts that contained false or misleading information, and it shows with every single time you post.

My post was in response to one of the "open businesses ASAP" crowd who thinks we need to open businesses without having any measures in place. Opening businesses we need to see a 14 day decline in numbers, and having tracing and health measures in place. Here is my post:

I don't like you because you're and arrogant ass who's full of himself and doesn't even realize when he writes in a 'better than thou' tone. But I'm still trying to have a conversation with you in these threads as you do at times share some good information and insights.

You also state and I quote:
I also have a lot of friends and family who operate small to medium sized very successful businesses as well in the GTA, and almost all that are shutdown except a couple are in agreement with that sentiment. I also have family members in the USA who operate very successful regional businesses/firms with one operating a national restaurant chain of 100+ locations and regardless of some states (Georgia, Tennessee) allowing them to reopen they've chosen to keep a lot of their locations closed for now as they feel the responsibility of not putting the communities at risk.

No, you don't have a lot, you just feel special. You know a few, maybe even a few hundred, out of the 400,000+ businesses in Ontario. So please, stop thinking your opinion is so high and mighty. Do not attempt to speak for the masses, you don't.

And once again, you cannot answer a simple question. So I will ask it again in a different format, perhaps you might actually answer the question in my post this time:

Do you consider the 12,000-15,000 tests per day Ontario is currently performing to be adequate to support observing trends and make decisions on? Or do you not have an opinion, shocking as that may be?

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

Doggystyle99:

As simple as I can ask on behalf of all the readers, based on all the research you have done:

How much longer should Ontario stay in lockdown before considering opening up, by your estimates, in your opinion?

2 weeks?
1 month?
2 months?
3 months?
Longer?

Let us know what the data is telling you, not your emotions, just the data.

 

[Smallcock]

The more people that get infected by covid, the better. Fortunately we're in the tens of millions of infected already.

 

[oil&gas]

The more people that get infected by covid, the better. Fortunately we're in the tens of millions of infected already.

So long as the elderly are well protected from infection
I am inclined to agree with you. More widespread infection
could expedite mutation to a less contagious form. Hopefully
this virus will just disappear like SARS.

 

[TeeJay]

Deaths in ON
0 if < 20
7 if 20-39
52 if 40-49
302 if 60-79
815 if 80+

Again
Old people die
People with weak immune systems die

The ravaged economic policy the Liberals insist on locking down will kill *millions* long term

eg 40,000 died due to poverty
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/com...illing_thousands_of_canadians_every_year.html
Pushing many more into this economic collapse practically ensures this number will double next year


Even if Covid kills 2000 a month it is killing less than poverty does

 

[Smallcock]

The flu is seasonal AND has a vaccine, yet it kills tens of thousands per year. This means that even though it has a tiny window each year to kill, it does so very successfully EVEN with a vaccine.

Covid is year-round, with no vaccine, and has killed barely more than the flu. In this context, the common flu is just as fatal if not deadlier than covid.

Yet here we are wearing masks, banned from sitting in parks, and social distancing lmao.

 

[canada-man]

There It Is: CDC Equates Coronavirus Hospitalizations to Seasonal Flu and Finally Admits It’s MUCH LESS Dangerous for Children

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

 

[doggystyle99]

I don't like you because you're and arrogant ass who's full of himself and doesn't even realize when he writes in a 'better than thou' tone. But I'm still trying to have a conversation with you in these threads as you do at times share some good information and insights.

You also state and I quote:
I also have a lot of friends and family who operate small to medium sized very successful businesses as well in the GTA, and almost all that are shutdown except a couple are in agreement with that sentiment. I also have family members in the USA who operate very successful regional businesses/firms with one operating a national restaurant chain of 100+ locations and regardless of some states (Georgia, Tennessee) allowing them to reopen they've chosen to keep a lot of their locations closed for now as they feel the responsibility of not putting the communities at risk.

No, you don't have a lot, you just feel special. You know a few, maybe even a few hundred, out of the 400,000+ businesses in Ontario. So please, stop thinking your opinion is so high and mighty. Do not attempt to speak for the masses, you don't.

And once again, you cannot answer a simple question. So I will ask it again in a different format, perhaps you might actually answer the question in my post this time:

Do you consider the 12,000-15,000 tests per day Ontario is currently performing to be adequate to support observing trends and make decisions on? Or do you not have an opinion, shocking as that may be?

I've already answered this question of yours in the previous post (and have posted numerous times about previously in numerous threads which you've read) you can read my previous post in this thread and if you still do not understand what my views are I'll clarify it for you with a simple Yes or No to your question.
As for my family and friends businesses you are right they are probably 100 or so and their opinions is a lot more valuable than yours.

Like I said the only reason you don't like my posts is because I showed your posts for what they are which is false and misleading information. But that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone when you've gone to lengths to post links from propaganda article and false websites multiple times such as the video and the other link you posted numerous times from uncoverdc.com

Doggystyle99:

As simple as I can ask on behalf of all the readers, based on all the research you have done:

How much longer should Ontario stay in lockdown before considering opening up, by your estimates, in your opinion?

2 weeks?
1 month?
2 months?
3 months?
Longer?

Let us know what the data is telling you, not your emotions, just the data.

When you say on behalf of all other readers you actually refer to the "open businesses ASAP" crowd, but like I've said before your views or questions are yours and not what all others views are, so asking questions on "behalf of all the readers" is quite presumptuous, and if you clearly read my previous post about the decline you would see the answer but again if you can't understand my previous response and need clarification on this I can provide you with a response. But first try to read and understand my response.

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

I've already answered this question of yours in the previous post (and have posted numerous times about previously in numerous threads which you've read) you can read my previous post in this thread and if you still do not understand what my views are I'll clarify it for you with a simple Yes or No to your question.
As for my family and friends businesses you are right they are probably 100 or so and their opinions is a lot more valuable than yours.

Like I said the only reason you don't like my posts is because I showed your posts for what they are which is false and misleading information. But that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone when you've gone to lengths to post links from propaganda article and false websites multiple times such as the video and the other link you posted numerous times from uncoverdc.com



When you say on behalf of all other readers you actually refer to the "open businesses ASAP" crowd, but like I've said before your views or questions are yours and not what all others views are, so asking questions on "behalf of all the readers" is quite presumptuous, and if you clearly read my previous post about the decline you would see the answer but again if you can't understand my previous response and need clarification on this I can provide you with a response. But first try to read and understand my response.

So what you're saying is you cannot offer up a suggestion of how long you think the lockdowns should last in Ontario and will write out long worthless posts like this to dance around it. Got it.

You suggest trends you are waiting to see and we all hear the same from the government. Figured you might actually draw a line in the sand and give an estimate as you are so educated on this matter - but clearly you are too chicken to do so.

I could care less what you think of my opinion - oh! my feelings are so hurt! Hahahaha...fuck that's funny.

Initially you were sharing some good information and insights that were appreciated, now your posts are just attacks on other members opinion about lockdowns - with the approach of agree with me or I will drown the thread with my long winded (and I thought I wrote a lot, Jesus) replies.

And of course your hard on for having others agree with your early judgement on Sweden - otherwise why would you keep posting about it?

And now...here comes your next long winded attack reply to this post in 3....2....1....

 

[Smallcock]

There It Is: CDC Equates Coronavirus Hospitalizations to Seasonal Flu and Finally Admits It’s MUCH LESS Dangerous for Children

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

When people are gripped by fear and they believe they're in a fight for their lives, they become irrational. It'll take a month or more for this to sink in, depending on how much further the media milks the panic button for sponsor dollars.

 

[doggystyle99]

So what you're saying is you cannot offer up a suggestion of how long you think the lockdowns should last in Ontario and will write out long worthless posts like this to dance around it. Got it.

You suggest trends you are waiting to see and we all hear the same from the government. Figured you might actually draw a line in the sand and give an estimate as you are so educated on this matter - but clearly you are too chicken to do so.

I could care less what you think of my opinion - oh! my feelings are so hurt! Hahahaha...fuck that's funny.

Initially you were sharing some good information and insights that were appreciated, now your posts are just attacks on other members opinion about lockdowns - with the approach of agree with me or I will drown the thread with my long winded (and I thought I wrote a lot, Jesus) replies.

And of course your hard on for having others agree with your early judgement on Sweden - otherwise why would you keep posting about it?

And now...here comes your next long winded attack reply to this post in 3....2....1....

What I clearly stated is I've already answered this question numerous times before and you can read and understand it, if you're having issues understanding my post let me know and I will clairfy the answer with a yes or so it's crystal clear for you.

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

What I clearly stated is I've already answered this question numerous times before and you can read and understand it, if you're having issues understanding my post let me know and I will clairfy the answer with a yes or so it's crystal clear for you.

Perhaps if I rework the question you might answer it.

We haven't seen in Ontario the required 14 day trend set out to be met in the guidelines yet, I believe that you at least will agree with?

If you were to estimate, how much longer would Ontario need to go in lockdown before they reach this 14 day trend?

Based on what *little* I know according to you, I still would estimate 4-8 more weeks, perhaps as long as 12 weeks. But what do I know right? Again, just looking for an estimate.

**Qualifier note - I'm not in the 'open early camp'. I could care less how long we are locked down as I have adjusted well to it and while my workload is less than optimal right now I am working from remote thankfully for the foreseeable future. About the only thing I would be sadden by missing out on this summer would be the chance to go camping as I hoped but there is always next year.

 

[basketcase]

Ontario had another 511 new known cases yesterday.

After all this time testing, they have only tested 2% of the population.
This is a totally insignificant sample size, especially over such a long period of time.

Plus they are focusing on those who are most likely to be sick.
This is a flawed sampling methodology and we may never see 14 days of declines.
They need to have broad diverse randomized testing.
They need to do comprehensive anti-body testing.

This lockdown has already gone on for several incubation periods so the effects have long been realized and it doesn`t make sense to think we should continually see better results from the exact same measures.
It`s possible that these measures were sufficient or not enough and more will need to be done.
It is time to find out.
If we wait until we have all the answers, the economic depression will kill way more than this virus ever could.

So you admit we don't know the full extent of infections and your conclusion is we should stop all closure measures?

 

[kherg007]

So you admit we don't know the full extent of infections and your conclusion is we should stop all closure measures?

It's the same inferential error seen in most ideologically motivated argument: If i can identify any flaw, no matter how minor, if YOUR argument, then MY argument is correct. The error is I have not provided evidence in favour of my theory. Its like the anti- evolution crowd assumes if you can't find an intermediate form between two related species, then creationism must be correct.

 

[doggystyle99]

Perhaps if I rework the question you might answer it.

We haven't seen in Ontario the required 14 day trend set out to be met in the guidelines yet, I believe that you at least will agree with?

If you were to estimate, how much longer would Ontario need to go in lockdown before they reach this 14 day trend?

Based on what *little* I know according to you, I still would estimate 4-8 more weeks, perhaps as long as 12 weeks. But what do I know right? Again, just looking for an estimate.

**Qualifier note - I'm not in the 'open early camp'. I could care less how long we are locked down as I have adjusted well to it and while my workload is less than optimal right now I am working from remote thankfully for the foreseeable future. About the only thing I would be sadden by missing out on this summer would be the chance to go camping as I hoped but there is always next year.

Since you clearly didn't want to search, read or understand and still need clarification here is the answer to your question. I've always said with strict adherence to the isolation rules we should see easing off the restrictions by June.

 

[Smallcock]

What makes June special?

 

[G.D. Gentleman]

Since you clearly didn't want to search, read or understand and still need clarification here is the answer to your question. I've always said with strict adherence to the isolation rules we should see easing off the restrictions by June.

Yes I have seen you post that likely situation we are on track for, which I frankly took as you stating what we are all seeing at least currently out of the government.

The doom and gloom you spout all over the threads gives the impression that a proper lockdown, economy impact aside, would be months or longer to reach the goals you keep repeating - just wanted to see what that actual number was in your head if you were willing to share it.

 

[doggystyle99]

Yes I have seen you post that likely situation we are on track for, which I frankly took as you stating what we are all seeing at least currently out of the government.

The doom and gloom you spout all over the threads gives the impression that a proper lockdown, economy impact aside, would be months or longer to reach the goals you keep repeating - just wanted to see what that actual number was in your head if you were willing to share it.

I've always credited our government for the job they are doing in the fight against the Coronavirus where credit is due, and never posted or hinted it will take months or longer, it's your reading comprehension that fails you since you let your feelings get in the way of understanding what you're reading. It's on you how to interpret what peoples posts are, or what the facts and data you're reading means.
But it's really not surprising to me one bit you misunderstand posts, since you can't even see or understand the articles or videos you share have so much false or misleading information in them but yet you still share such misinformed videos and articles and even try to defend their views.

 

[canada-man]

 

[bver_hunter]