LOL! Don't worry. As soon as O'Reilly trashes the Orange Man, you will fall in love with Bill. It's as predictable as the lefty orgasmic discharges for David Frum that rival the 4th of July fireworks.
End the Lockdown
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On the Hillary Clinton footnote on building a barrier - fact check:
However, there are significant differences between the fence Clinton voted for, and the wall Trump pitched during the campaign, which he promised would be an impenetrable, physical, tall and "beautiful" wall that Mexico would pay for.
The plans Trump articulated for the wall during the campaign were somewhat vague and inconsistent.
He said the wall didn't need to run the nearly 2,000 miles of the border, but about 1,000 miles because of natural barriers. He said it could cost between $8 billion and $12 billion, be made of precast concrete, and rise 35 to 40 feet, or 50 feet, or higher.
In any case, Trump himself criticized the 2006 fence as too modest during the 2016 election. "Now we got lucky because it was such a little wall, it was such a nothing wall, no, they couldn't get their environmental -- probably a snake was in the way or a toad," Trump said. (Actually, the project didn’t face environmental hurdles; we rated that part of the claim Mostly False.)
However, there are significant differences between the fence Clinton voted for, and the wall Trump pitched during the campaign, which he promised would be an impenetrable, physical, tall and "beautiful" wall that Mexico would pay for.
The plans Trump articulated for the wall during the campaign were somewhat vague and inconsistent.
He said the wall didn't need to run the nearly 2,000 miles of the border, but about 1,000 miles because of natural barriers. He said it could cost between $8 billion and $12 billion, be made of precast concrete, and rise 35 to 40 feet, or 50 feet, or higher.
In any case, Trump himself criticized the 2006 fence as too modest during the 2016 election. "Now we got lucky because it was such a little wall, it was such a nothing wall, no, they couldn't get their environmental -- probably a snake was in the way or a toad," Trump said. (Actually, the project didn’t face environmental hurdles; we rated that part of the claim Mostly False.)
You have rights . Since when . You are told when you can shop . How fast you can drive and where . Where you can park your car . You can't even enjoy a picnic on the beach right now . Don't pay your property taxes and see what happens . You can't even pay someone to give you a blow job . LOL .You can't carry a hand gun in public to protect yourself . Even if you had a hand gun you can't shoot it on your property even if you had 1000 acres .
You are told what you can own .
You spend time on a review board crying about your rights . Go protest with the other low lives . You have the right to protest in public .
You have been told what you can do or not for your entire miserable life . You are a slave to Ford and Trudeau . They tell you what you can do . You can't even cross into another province unless you live there right now .
Oh yea . You have rights . My fears Yes I have fears . Are you not afraid of anything . If not than you are a fool .
The only right you have is the right to die. I'll bet if you got sick you'd be the first one to run to the hospital because you have RIGHTS . FOOL .
You are just as dumb as those who say there is nothing to fear . You remind me of those that say God will protect you . Many pastors in the US have said that and where are they now . DEAD . They had rights and look where those rights got them .
You have RIGHTS . :biggrin:
I have no issue with his message, but he is one big fucking pussy. He Flaked out when he had a chance to make a difference. He towed the party line timidly like all the others and kept his mouth shut like a good sycophant. It was only when he announced that he would not be running again that he made some speech in the Senate against trump. But even then, I believe he still kept voting along party lines. Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe that he voted for the health bill that John McCain gave the thumbs down to.
Does he have a following or is he irrelevant because HE DID NOT STEP UP.
In Flake's last few years in the Senate, his disapproval ratings soared. Republicans didn't like him since he disliked their hero Trump so much. And of course, Democrats and Independents like myself disagreed with most of his policy positions.
I disagree with Flake on most all of his political stances other than of course being outspoken against Trump more on his personal integrity rather than policy. Flake does seem like someone you could have an intelligent discussion with even if you disagreed with him on issues.
On October 24, 2017, Flake announced in a speech that he would not seek a second term in the Senate. Flake's speech, which was described by McKay Coppins as a "thundering indictment of his party, his president, and his country's political culture," was called "the most important speech of 2017" by Chris Cillizza.
In May 2018, Flake stated that he would donate to Democratic Senator Joe Manchin's campaign if Don Blankenship (who had served time in prison) won the West Virginia Republican Senate primary. Blankenship was defeated by Patrick Morrisey
Flake is known as a vocal critic of Republican President Donald Trump. Trump was "furious" that Flake called on him to withdraw from the presidential race after the emergence of the Access Hollywood tape. In August, 2017, Flake published his book Conscience of a Conservative: A Rejection of Destructive Politics and a Return to Principle, which expanded on his criticisms of Donald Trump. As of December 2018, according to FiveThirtyEight, Flake had voted with Trump's position on legislative issues 84% of the time.
I disagree with Flake on most all of his political stances other than of course being outspoken against Trump more on his personal integrity rather than policy. Flake does seem like someone you could have an intelligent discussion with even if you disagreed with him on issues.
On October 24, 2017, Flake announced in a speech that he would not seek a second term in the Senate. Flake's speech, which was described by McKay Coppins as a "thundering indictment of his party, his president, and his country's political culture," was called "the most important speech of 2017" by Chris Cillizza.
In May 2018, Flake stated that he would donate to Democratic Senator Joe Manchin's campaign if Don Blankenship (who had served time in prison) won the West Virginia Republican Senate primary. Blankenship was defeated by Patrick Morrisey
Flake is known as a vocal critic of Republican President Donald Trump. Trump was "furious" that Flake called on him to withdraw from the presidential race after the emergence of the Access Hollywood tape. In August, 2017, Flake published his book Conscience of a Conservative: A Rejection of Destructive Politics and a Return to Principle, which expanded on his criticisms of Donald Trump. As of December 2018, according to FiveThirtyEight, Flake had voted with Trump's position on legislative issues 84% of the time.
Infectious disease research warns coronavirus pandemic could last two years
A new report is predicting that the coronavirus pandemic may last as long as two years and that it could take up to two-thirds of the global population being immune to effectively control the spread of the virus.
The report released Thursday from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota said that due to coronavirus's ability to spread among people who appear to be asymptomatic, it may be harder to control than flu outbreaks or other pandemics.
Infected people may also be at their most infectious prior to symptoms appearing, Bloomberg News reported.
"The virus caught the global community off guard, and its future course is still highly unpredictable; there is no crystal ball to tell us what the future holds and what the 'end game' for controlling this pandemic will be," the report says.
Researchers say in the report that, based on their assessment of eight major pandemics that have occurred since the early 1700s and the lack of immunity to coronavirus around the world, among other factors, the length of the coronavirus pandemic will likely be 18 to 24 months, as "herd immunity gradually develops in the human population." Herd immunity occurs when a large amount of the population becomes immune through either inoculation or recovery from an infection.
The report adds that 60 to 70 percent of the population "may need to be immune to reach a critical threshold of herd immunity to halt the pandemic."
"This thing's not going to stop until it infects 60 to 70 percent of people," Mike Osterholm, who directs the CIDRAP, told CNN.
"The idea that this is going to be done soon defies microbiology," he added.
The researchers made multiple recommendations, calling for states, territories and tribal health authorities to plan for the "worst case scenario... including no vaccine availability or herd immunity." They also called for health officials to develop strategies to protect health care workers and plans to deal with "disease peaks when they occur."
"Risk communication messaging from government officials should incorporate the concept that this pandemic will not be over soon and that people need to be prepared for possible periodic resurgences of disease over the next 2 years," the report warned.
A new report is predicting that the coronavirus pandemic may last as long as two years and that it could take up to two-thirds of the global population being immune to effectively control the spread of the virus.
The report released Thursday from the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota said that due to coronavirus's ability to spread among people who appear to be asymptomatic, it may be harder to control than flu outbreaks or other pandemics.
Infected people may also be at their most infectious prior to symptoms appearing, Bloomberg News reported.
"The virus caught the global community off guard, and its future course is still highly unpredictable; there is no crystal ball to tell us what the future holds and what the 'end game' for controlling this pandemic will be," the report says.
Researchers say in the report that, based on their assessment of eight major pandemics that have occurred since the early 1700s and the lack of immunity to coronavirus around the world, among other factors, the length of the coronavirus pandemic will likely be 18 to 24 months, as "herd immunity gradually develops in the human population." Herd immunity occurs when a large amount of the population becomes immune through either inoculation or recovery from an infection.
The report adds that 60 to 70 percent of the population "may need to be immune to reach a critical threshold of herd immunity to halt the pandemic."
"This thing's not going to stop until it infects 60 to 70 percent of people," Mike Osterholm, who directs the CIDRAP, told CNN.
"The idea that this is going to be done soon defies microbiology," he added.
The researchers made multiple recommendations, calling for states, territories and tribal health authorities to plan for the "worst case scenario... including no vaccine availability or herd immunity." They also called for health officials to develop strategies to protect health care workers and plans to deal with "disease peaks when they occur."
"Risk communication messaging from government officials should incorporate the concept that this pandemic will not be over soon and that people need to be prepared for possible periodic resurgences of disease over the next 2 years," the report warned.
Ontario had another 511 new known cases yesterday.
After all this time testing, they have only tested 2% of the population.
This is a totally insignificant sample size, especially over such a long period of time.
Plus they are focusing on those who are most likely to be sick.
This is a flawed sampling methodology and we may never see 14 days of declines.
They need to have broad diverse randomized testing.
They need to do comprehensive anti-body testing.
This lockdown has already gone on for several incubation periods so the effects have long been realized and it doesn`t make sense to think we should continually see better results from the exact same measures.
It`s possible that these measures were sufficient or not enough and more will need to be done.
It is time to find out.
If we wait until we have all the answers, the economic depression will kill way more than this virus ever could.
After all this time testing, they have only tested 2% of the population.
This is a totally insignificant sample size, especially over such a long period of time.
Plus they are focusing on those who are most likely to be sick.
This is a flawed sampling methodology and we may never see 14 days of declines.
They need to have broad diverse randomized testing.
They need to do comprehensive anti-body testing.
This lockdown has already gone on for several incubation periods so the effects have long been realized and it doesn`t make sense to think we should continually see better results from the exact same measures.
It`s possible that these measures were sufficient or not enough and more will need to be done.
It is time to find out.
If we wait until we have all the answers, the economic depression will kill way more than this virus ever could.
This idea of ending lockdowns now without proper measures is the most ridiculous thing you post.
What Ontario and every province needs to do is see a 14 day significant decline in the number of new daily cases, as well we need to have strict tracing put in place prior to opening businesses and have already taken this measures with almost if not all of the cases prior to opening businesses. As well as the tracing measures being in place after businesses are allowed to open we should also have strict health measures in place if we want to be successful at limiting the spread of the virus to the lowest number possible after businesses open.
In a perfect world DS 14 days would be great, but unfortunately the gov can only print so much money & people need food & a roof over their head. Same as in the US big business & small business's alike are putting pressure on the gov to get things moving. Nobody wants more casualties but we don't want a depression either. If there's outbreaks (& I'm sure there will be many) hopefully the government can isolate the cases & do the appropriate tracing. There's thousands of cops & civil servants on the payroll doing minimal or no work, this would be a great use of their time.
I am not understanding this point. Herd immunity depends on people testing positive. We could test a million people next week and find 10% are positive and the new cases would jump, but that doesn't mean the health risk increased.
I think the focus should be on hospitalization and death rates.
lock downs is causing business to fail when will you lockdown supported get back to the real world. more and people cannot afford to pay rent.
Without having a significant 14 day decline in the number of new daily cases which is what the facts tell us is important in being able to fight the Coronavirus we risk having just as bad or even more cases and further outbreak waves in the long run. Maybe some are OK with that but I certainly am not because in the long run the effects of more outbreak waves would have a far worse effect on businesses than keeping them closed for an extra few days or even extra few weeks. I certainly do not want to open my business and then be forced to either shutdown or having to shutdown due to further large waves of confirmed cases and no clients.
I operate a viable small business, I also have a lot of friends and family who operate small to medium sized very successful businesses as well in the GTA, and almost all that are shutdown except a couple are in agreement with that sentiment. I also have family members in the USA who operate very successful regional businesses/firms with one operating a national restaurant chain of 100+ locations and regardless of some states (Georgia, Tennessee) allowing them to reopen they've chosen to keep a lot of their locations closed for now as they feel the responsibility of not putting the communities at risk.
Not a single one of the people I know is pressuring the government to open things up. I fully do believe the large corporations are the ones who are pressuring the government mostly but there are some smaller businesses who are struggling to make things work not only because of this but they weren't viable businesses prior to this. I certainly hope the federal government finds ways to help the viable small to medium sized businesses out more.
There is one variable you don't mention in your repeated suggestion of 14 day decline, so I will ask:
How many daily/weekly total tests supporting a 14 day decline would you consider trustworthy? 100,000 a day? 1,000,000 a week? Speaking of Ontario specifically.
And a related question - how soon would you estimate, based on your research, Ontario will reach the testing levels per day/week that properly support a trustworthy 14 day decline?
Unfortunately you are immune to the facts and data, it is not my suggestion that a 14 day decline is important. Facts and data have shown us a 14 day cycle is associated with the Coronavirus (I've told you this 10's of times now and you still don't understand and try to question this important fact).
Unfortunately now for some of the same crowd "Open Businesses now" they are trying to question the amount of testing as a way to call into question the using of a 14 day decline of the number of confirmed cases.
It doesn't matter if you think the number of confirmed cases are not trustworthy in comparison to the testing as again that is a non factual feeling of yours. Canada's testing if not better than the very high majority of other nations is on par with the majority of other western nations who are fairly populated (excluding Germany), and Ontario is no different and I've posted this numerous times.
Unfortunately you don't like my posts because I called you out for using videos and articles and made posts that contained false or misleading information, and it shows with every single time you post.
My post was in response to one of the "open businesses ASAP" crowd who thinks we need to open businesses without having any measures in place. Opening businesses we need to see a 14 day decline in numbers, and having tracing and health measures in place. Here is my post:
My above statement is based on the actual data and the facts and not on my feelings. Without having those measures in place we risk having just as bad or even more cases and further outbreak waves in the long run. You certainly sound like you're OK with that but I am certainly not, because in the long run if we have more outbreak waves the effects would be far worse on businesses than keeping them closed for an extra few days or even extra few weeks.
For the 14 day decline, the Government of Ontario seems to be taking the same approach as Quebec, both are removing the number of new cases found in LTCH's out of the equation as it skews the numbers. Keep in mind the Government has stepped up testing in the LTCH's to help that part of the population better.
More than half the States have started to reopen, pretty much all of Canada has started to reopen along with Europe etc., the number of new cases and the 14 day decline means nothing now as things need to restart.
Another way to look at the 14 day decline, is the overall number of new cases versus total number of cases. The % of new cases is on a downward trajectory (small numerator over an ever increasing denominator). The Governments will spin the story anyway they like as they all know that they need to reopen the World to trade.
More than half the States have started to reopen, pretty much all of Canada has started to reopen along with Europe etc., the number of new cases and the 14 day decline means nothing now as things need to restart.
Another way to look at the 14 day decline, is the overall number of new cases versus total number of cases. The % of new cases is on a downward trajectory (small numerator over an ever increasing denominator). The Governments will spin the story anyway they like as they all know that they need to reopen the World to trade.
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It doesn't matter what certain States are doing or what other countries are doing. Countries in Europe are opening based on what they have done in the fight against the Coronavirus not based on what other countries are doing and we in Canada should be no different if we want to be successful in the fight against the Coronavirus and keeping future outbreak waves to a minimum.
For example France 14 days ago on April 18th had 3666 new cases, where today they only had 1050. That is a significant drop and what Canada or Ontario needs to wait for to open.
