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shack

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the phrase "guys are playing for next year's contract" i hear often in all sports and not impressed by these players. They should be playing their best all year round as they are supposely "professionals"...I think? Plus they get paid big salaries.
I think the concept is that they do indeed play hard all year long. At first it for team success, but when the team is eliminated they are still motivated to play hard for their contracts.
 

Ironhead

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What is wrong with EE? 36 HR 92 RBI and the season has a month to go
Absolutely nothing, but the Jays need someone to play first or DH.

EE is DH, they need a 1B.
EE is 1B, they need a DH.


I do not want Ortiz here. I think he will break down for good soon.

Cooper may be the answer.
 

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Absolutely nothing, but the Jays need someone to play first or DH.

EE is DH, they need a 1B.
EE is 1B, they need a DH.


I do not want Ortiz here. I think he will break down for good soon.

Cooper may be the answer.
Actually Lind and EE make a decent 1B/DH. I have a feeling they will try to move Lind and/or Cooper, so basically we agree we need another bat assuming Lind is traded. I like Cooper and the more he plays the better he looks.
Ortiz...his best days are behind him, I hope they don't go after him.

I think the Jays have 3 position players that are untouchable, Bautista, EE, and Lawrie. I would have to get something outstanding to give up a youngster, but the rest of the position players are available. Pitching, , bullpen looks real good, sign Lyons and Frasor, Starters, sign Carlos, keep Morrow and everyone else is available IF the right offer comes along.
 

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Remember Francisco Cordero? Last we saw of him was when he was traded to Houston? Well, shortly after he was traded he went on the DL with an inflamed big toe (gout?) and Houston released him after he came off the DL. But in his time with the Astros he was able to blow three saves. He sure didn't waste time down there. Thank you AA for getting rid of him.
 

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I was happy to see Cordero go ,too. The guy should have retired at the end of last year and he would have had a decent legacy but those big contracts keep them coming back for 1 more year. Jays bullpen looks sooooooo much better now. I hope they can keep the bulk if not all of this group.
 

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Why are fans booing Romero ? He isn't overpaid and even if he was it isn't like he is doing anything on purpose .
 

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Romero was advertised as the "ACE", he seemed to believe he was the ace, but didn't deliver. On a few occaisions I felt he didn't get 100% effort from his team mates. This could be because they have a problem with his attitude, or with him not delivering, or it might just be a figment of MY imagination. I really don't think the booing is appropriate,(it sure isn't helping) but you pay your money boo your butt off.

I do think the Jays starters need some help. They throw far too many pitches are often spent by the 5th or 6 th inning. The revamped bull pen is helping but if they have to come in too often they will soon be spent.
 

Perry Mason

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With Romero, it is clear from his frequent temper tantrums and his body language that the problem is between his ears.

I speculate that the idea of being the Ace went to his head and he got himself all screwed up either because he began thinking that pitching was oh so easy, or because he started trying to do more than what he is capable of doing... not playing within himself and trying to be too perfect.

What is clear, IMHO, is that he does not know how to manage adversity -- which is something that plagues many professional athletes.

Perry
 

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Romero was advertised as the "ACE", he seemed to believe he was the ace, but didn't deliver. On a few occaisions I felt he didn't get 100% effort from his team mates. This could be because they have a problem with his attitude, or with him not delivering, or it might just be a figment of MY imagination. I really don't think the booing is appropriate,(it sure isn't helping) but you pay your money boo your butt off.

I do think the Jays starters need some help. They throw far too many pitches are often spent by the 5th or 6 th inning. The revamped bull pen is helping but if they have to come in too often they will soon be spent.
Baseball is the one sport that it's hard to determine 100 % effort . In hockey , football or hockey it seems easier to see lack of effort .
 

Ironhead

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With Romero, it is clear from his frequent temper tantrums and his body language that the problem is between his ears.

I speculate that the idea of being the Ace went to his head and he got himself all screwed up either because he began thinking that pitching was oh so easy, or because he started trying to do more than what he is capable of doing... not playing within himself and trying to be too perfect.

What is clear, IMHO, is that he does not know how to manage adversity -- which is something that plagues many professional athletes.

Perry
I agree. I think he tried too hard to win every game. When the team stuggled early the pressure got to him.

AA should go get a legit number one starter, make Romero just another starter.
 

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Romero - a tale of two seasons in one. 8-1 in the first half (he was finally getting some run support). 0-45 in the second half.
 

Perry Mason

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They don't need to trade all of Ricky, just a brain transplant! I can't imagine that he will have the kind of year next year that he has had this one; he has too much talent!

They need to trade for a big bopper to share the DH/1st base tandem with Encarnacion. I'd love to see Ryan Howard here, but I don't know if that is possible to do!

If they choose to go with Cooper (which also has a lot of potential), then they need a good hitting 2nd baseman, otherwise I think we will be seeing Escobar and Hechavarria at short and 2nd next year.

And they need an Ace for the pitching staff, which Romero or Morrow may or may not provide. They have plenty of good pitchers on hand from which to fill the 3, 4 and 5 slots.

2013 may be the year that AA gets to spend a bit of cash.

Perry
 

gcostanza

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They need to trade for a big bopper to share the DH/1st base tandem with Encarnacion. I'd love to see Ryan Howard here, but I don't know if that is possible to do!

Perry
Share?

39 H.R., 99 R.B.I.'s, .279 B.A., .940 O.P.S. not enough?

The Blue Jays (since the ill-fated Frank Thomas signing) have used the D.H. spot as a place to give a player 1/2 day off, get off the turf, rotate it thru the lineup. It gives significantly more roster flexibility than signing/trading for a 'big bopper'.

Those numbers with little to no support since shortly after the All-Star break when J.B. went down.
 

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EE now 40 and 102, put him and a healthy Bautista back to back and ........who knows?
I imagine Lind is on the block but he really hasn't been bad since his return. I can live with him@1B/DH.
I hope Davis is on the block, outside of speed he doesn't bring a lot to the table.
 
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