Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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Zelensky can trust Trump is not going to split profits
with Putin earned from the mines stolen from Ukraine.
That should assure him of the security guarantee he
wants.
Thanks. Some video clips of (or from) direct participants are always helpful.
Twitterati with no dog in the fight not so much.
You should try and think outside the "I don't like the Dems" box and try to understand international politics and how they develop.
In 2014, I supported Ukraine and broke with a number of Russian internet friends on the issue. But I thought Ukraine was dumb to end the lease on Sevastopol and Russia's seizure was predictable and not unreasonable. Crimea is not ethnically Ukrainian. I had a buddy who was a Russophone from Donbass who passionately supported Putin and couldn't handle Maidan at all. I thought that the 2016 borders were not bad, although I thought my Donbass buddy and his friends made a dumb, bad choice in terms of rejecting the west. and the promise of a better future.
In 2022, Putin was invading core ethnic Ukrainian territory and the Ukes were clearly determined to fight him off. So I perceive it as a struggle against a tyrannous invader, rather than a conflict over where to re draw the borders of the 2 countries post Maidan.
That help you understand things a little better? Like I said: Reading about the actual conflict and talking to people helps you not to look like a 2 dimensional idiot.
Thanks for the video of the entire conference which I just finished watching.
I made up my mind too, just like you did, and the the result is:
"You were watching something else, not the video that you posted."
Rubio gives great talking head. Sincerely.
Because the US benefits the most from this.
But if the US wants to undermine itself then EU is capable of stepping up.
It was a general comment about a lot of the rhetoric on here and on social media the last 24 hours. It wasn't pointed at you.
We all have friends who have no recollection that Russia was in Crimea and the Donbas in 2014.
A point I myself have made to little avail was that I said in early 2023 a settlement that many would find unsatisfactory would be the likely outcome to the war. I also said the Biden Administration should end the conflict. I was actually threatened on another sex site for saying this in 2023. (I believe the site moderators booted him for this and other trangressions.)
If one still thinks the Ukraine can drive the Russians out and/or get NATO guarantees, that's a valid opinion. In this case, no one should presume this was a guaranteed outcome under any U.S. leadership.
That's exactly my point I've been expressing. You can't shake hands with snakes. What good is a "peace deal" or "ceasefire" with a guy who has a history of attacking you?
Trump says he doesn't want to send anymore money or assist in the war. So you tell me?
These bush-league negotiation tactics don't work or hold any weight on this level.
Not guaranteed at all. Trump is doing exactly what America voted for
My comment has nothing to do with Trump.
The often repeated Hitler-Munich appeasement analogy does not apply to a situation where enormous amounts of blood was sacrificed to prevent a takeover of the Ukraine.
The U.S. and European support helped prevent that takeover.
WTF does that have to do with proving your claim that Putin is afraid of Trump??
All that does is reinforce my opinion of your simplemindedness which you have repeatedly and clearly demonstrated.
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I'm not saying Mitch is planning anything.
He's a parrot and a troll.
But since he just acts as a puke funnel, you can see what the actual orchestrated pitch is based on what he's parroting.
For every government worker he lays off, it will translate to probably 5 friends or family members not voting for him.
When the American people's pockets start to feel it, watch out.
Not naive, nottyboi (and Vance and Trump) are just big fans of the Melian Dialogue.
Always amazing how people who supposedly support Trump make him the villain in these things.
The EU is sitting on 200-300 billion Euros in seized Russian assets.
There is a lot of talk now on freeing that up and sending it to Ukraine.
EU eyes €200B secret weapon as Trump dominates Ukraine peace talks
Europe has significant leverage after being left out of key talks on ending the war in Ukraine, but will it use it?
www.politico.eu
The shifting alliances are the big deal now, the EU is clearly standing with Ukraine. The US now totally untrustworthy as an ally.
