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As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.

Nothing hypothetical about it. The answer was Russia. The answer since Trump has come into power is now the United States.
 
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Mr.Gr33k

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Russia isn't that far from Canada via the Arctic or the West.
And the US would only intervene because of NATO.
Otherwise why would they?
You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.

Would Russia somehow go around and attack from the north?? How? What exactly would they accomplish in the arctic so far from their land?

You're either fear mongering or greatly exaggerate Russian capabilities. It's crazy how a country who is sanctioned and has a crumbling economy would be capable of such a feat. They supposedly can't even accomplish squat in Ukraine.
 
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WyattEarp

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Zelensky wearing the military type uniform and not a suit isn’t about disrespect. It’s about being in tune with the situation going on in Ukraine. And the nerve if people complaining about him when Musk wears a Tshirt and baseball cap in the oval office.
It's not disrespectful, but I don't think it's a good look. Zelensky casts a diminutive figure. He needs to project himself as a leader on a global stage.
 

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Marco Rubio reveals that what Zelensky did before cameras started rolling is reason why he should apologize

I think this is bullshit. Zelenskyy did not just show up to sign a minerals deal. Framing it that way and stating that American business interests inside Ukraine would protect them is bullshit. Sounds to me like they get the deal, watch as Russia continued, then demand a surrender to "protect American Business interests".

This about American isolationism, and the eventual dissolution of NATO imo. They want to to get America out of Europe, concentrate on NA and Central America. It's so damn stupid and myopic.

I think between this and his domestic agenda the midterms will end this.
 

WyattEarp

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You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.

Would Russia somehow go around and attack from the north?? How? What exactly would they accomplish in the arctic so far from their land?

You're either fear mongering or greatly exaggerate Russian capabilities. It's crazy how a country who is sanctioned and has a crumbling economy would be capable of such a feat. They supposedly can't even accomplish squat in Ukraine.
I have taken Canada by way of Greenland on the Risk game board.
;) Just jokin'.
 

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As a hypothetical, let's just say that NATO didn't exist. Why would anyone attack Canada knowing that USA will 100% intervene? Who would be even capable of attacking? We are on a different continent that almost everyone else.
The question is wrong.
The only country now likely and threatening to invade Canada is the US.
Without NATO we are screwed.

The whole point of global alliances is to create larger groups that have more power to resist rogue nations like the US and Russia.
 
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WyattEarp

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Not Jerry Springer. Have you guys ever been in business negotiations with vendors or partners who messed up? Trump and Vance kept it very civil and told it how it was. It’s not like we hadn’t given him hundreds of billions. Trump and Vance called it for what it was - didn’t ridicule him, didn’t use profanity. I don’t understand where this analogy of Jerry comes from. Has the original poster ever seen an episode of Jerry Springer?
Steve would have carried Zelensky out of the room.

View attachment iwOZ1c.mp4
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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You understand that Alaska in USA, right? Alaska is between Russia and Canada.

Would Russia somehow go around and attack from the north?? How? What exactly would they accomplish in the arctic so far from their land?

You're either fear mongering or greatly exaggerate Russian capabilities. It's crazy how a country who is sanctioned and has a crumbling economy would be capable of such a feat. They supposedly can't even accomplish squat in Ukraine.
Well NATO was established during the days of the Soviet Union, when they might have been capable.
But chiefly NATO exists to protect Europe and we are involved because we have close cultural, military and economic ties to Europe.
NATO affords us more benefits than just military protection.
You do realize that?
 

Mr.Gr33k

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Well NATO was established during the days of the Soviet Union, when they might have been capable.
But chiefly NATO exists to protect Europe and we are involved because we have close cultural, military and economic ties to Europe.
NATO affords us more benefits than just military protection.
You do realize that?
Canada has military protection by default with or without NATO. USA will never allow another military power to run rampant north of their border.

NATO may have had it's uses during Cold War, but it is no longer a defensive alliance. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libia - all have been been attacked by NATO forces under false pretenses.
 
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WyattEarp

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That went back to the ammunition and weapons factories in the US. War is big business for the US, it keeps their economy churning.. so STFU.
You can be passionate, but the moderators will take you out if you don't dial it down.
 

WyattEarp

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It is his expected American Isolationism take on this. It will appeal to Trump's base.
Aren't you torn on this subject?

Aren't you always the one who stating that the U.S. is pro-war?
 
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It's funny how you guys can't evolve your thinking as a situation progresses. I was also on Zelensky's side when the war started.
But by the hugest of coincidences and completely of your own independent thought, I'm sure, your opinion changed as soon as trump took office and/or when everyone could tell by his rhetoric that he was anti-Ukraine and supporting Russia/RasPutin.

Your mea culpa smells kinda cheesy. It has the smell of a tDS symptom. The loss of the ability to think independently. Your thoughts are dicktated by what your leader tells you to think.

That's how your thinking "evolved".
 
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