SCREAMS BEFORE SILENCE

[basketcase]

So your moronic argument...

Sorry. You've won the moronic battle.

You claimed that Palestinians want an egalitarian One State peace. Every Palestinian poll says the exact opposite yet you still make excuses for imposing your views on them, just like the Brits of the Raj taught.

The vast majority of Palestinians want a Palestinian state without a Jewish presence or failing that, a Two State peace. Or is reading Palestinian polling for the past decade+ just "cherry-picking"?

And yes, it is dumb to equate Israel's formation with the colonization of Canada. Jews had a historic connection and a continual history in Israel while Europeans had no hint of a rationale for wiping out Indigenous life and Implementing their colonial system in Canada. It's also dumb for you to pretend that you're not a settler in Canada, benefitting from past and present oppression of Indigenous people.

Non-Indigenous Canadians and Canadian immigrants have the exact same right to continue existing here because the only way forward is to make the best of the situation. The same applies to Israel/Palestine. The people there all have a right to continue existing with the only qualification being that both sides have to respect the rights of the other. Your view that Jews don't belong there is even less justified than the extreme of Canada's Indigenous believing neither you nor I have the right to be here.

 

[basketcase]

Its zionists that ended peace...

Right. You believe that Oct 7 was really the Jews' fault.

In the real world, Hamas' Gaza leadership are the ones who have repeatedly rejected ceasefires and you have praised them for it. Since the 7th, Sinwar and Dief have made clear that they want perpetual war and have repeatedly stated that they are willing to sacrifice Palestinian civilians for as long as they have to (while hiding in bunkers and UN properties).

Just one of the more recent reports on it.

For Hamas, Everything Is Going According to Plan

Why accept a peace proposal when the goal is “permanent war”?

www.theatlantic.com

 

[basketcase]

Returning stolen land doesn't make you a settler.
Nice try.

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You're returning land to the Indigenous? Bullshit. You're just a settler denying the system of oppression you are a part of.

 

[basketcase]

Its time to give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
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So self-determination isn't your aim. Thanks for admitting it.

You claim to support the UN. Their official stance is the only path to peace is a negotiated settlement so why do you constantly object to the idea?

 

[Frankfooter]

Right. You believe that Oct 7 was really the Jews' fault.

No, it was the fault of zionists.
Zionists who have illegally occupied Palestine for 75 years and continue to steal Palestinian land by force.
Palestinians have the right to use violence against an illegal occupation, just not to target civilians.

In the real world, Hamas' Gaza leadership are the ones who have repeatedly rejected ceasefires and you have praised them for it. Since the 7th, Sinwar and Dief have made clear that they want perpetual war and have repeatedly stated that they are willing to sacrifice Palestinian civilians for as long as they have to (while hiding in bunkers and UN properties).

Just one of the more recent reports on it.

For Hamas, Everything Is Going According to Plan

Why accept a peace proposal when the goal is “permanent war”?

www.theatlantic.com

No, there has been no real ceasefire offer from Israel.
Even the truce was a temporary pause where Israel tried to have hostages returned so they could return to genocide.
Netanyahu has stated that there will be no peace and he will not stop until he kills everyone he thinks might be Hamas.

 

[basketcase]

No, it was the fault of zionists.
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I know you think Palestinians to be sub-human and incapable of making decisions but only the most disgusting clowns are still claiming Israel made Hamas plan and practice for years in attacking civilian towns and kidnapping civilians.

 

[basketcase]

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No, there has been no real ceasefire offer from Israel.
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As usual, the UN disagrees with you.
1. Welcomes the new ceasefire proposal announced on May 31, which Israel accepted, calls upon Hamas to also accept it, and urges both parties to fully implement its terms without delay and without condition;

 

[basketcase]

Sorry, you have already established yourself as king of the moronic cherry picked arguments.

Yes, Palestinians want an EGALITARIAN one state peace.
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But my "cherry picking" has forced the Palestinians to have zero polls saying so. There are Palestinians who do want it but depending on the poll, between 70 and 95% of Palestinians oppose it. You are just making yourself look stupid and elitist to pretend otherwise.

And Israel is already a state where Palestinian citizens who WANT to be Israeli have full legal rights (though facing some systemic discrimination). You might think it sounds good to force the vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza into a One State peace against their will but that is a you issue, not a they issue. As I said many times, the solution can only be based on negotiations between the people involved and we don't get a vote.

The only Jews who had a historic connection to Palestine are the ones who lived there during the Ottoman rule.

Are you now saying that Judaism didn't start in Israel or are you pulling out the bullshit Kazar hypothesis to justify you racial perceptions. Sorry but the genetics don't support that racist inspired tripe, showing significant middle eastern roots in the Ashkenazi population. It's as stupid as saying Muslims don't belong in Israel because they aren't direct descendants of Muhammad's line.

But thanks for admitting that Ottoman Jews are legitimate residents of the region. Do you want to comment on them making up roughly half of Israeli Jews?

And in another of your moronic own-goals, you were at one point claiming that the solution involves all the people currently living there. Seems that you've worked that argument into a 180.

And no, I am not a settler. I am an immigrant. Settlers do not use immigration laws to move to a new land.

Speaking of idiotic own-goals, you're arguing that you following European created immigration laws make you legitimate here but Jews who followed local (Ottoman) and later European created immigration laws means Jews in Israel are illigitimate.

You really are good for a laugh. You make me wonder if you actually think before posting.

The only ones denying anybody's existence is Israel. The Likud party's charter reads: "Between Jordan and the sea there shall be ONLY Israeli sovereignty". That is genocidal.

And ending with one more dumb-assed double standard since you have repeatedly justified Hamas and the PA saying the same thing.

 

[Frankfooter]

I know you think Palestinians to be sub-human and incapable of making decisions but only the most disgusting clowns are still claiming Israel made Hamas plan and practice for years in attacking civilian towns and kidnapping civilians.

I hope you were wearing a bib when you wrote that, the bile must be everywhere.
You are confusing your own nazi like supremacist views that Palestinians are subhuman 'terrorists' or 'Hamas' that all need to be killed with my views that they are humans deserving peace and full human rights.

As a reminder, you are the one cheering for killing little kids like this one, I'm the one calling for peace.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805691596677300725

 

[Frankfooter]

As usual, the UN disagrees with you.
1. Welcomes the new ceasefire proposal announced on May 31, which Israel accepted, calls upon Hamas to also accept it, and urges both parties to fully implement its terms without delay and without condition;

The US put that in the resolution yet Israel refuses to agree to it, while Hamas already said they will abide the resolution.
Now that you are quoting and backing the UN that means you admit that the occupation is illegal, Israel is apartheid and committing genocide, lead by a war criminal charged with 'extermination'.

Well done.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803677579024421375

 

[y2kmark]

The US put that in the resolution yet Israel refuses to agree to it, while Hamas already said they will abide the resolution.
Now that you are quoting and backing the UN that means you admit that the occupation is illegal, Israel is apartheid and committing genocide, lead by a war criminal charged with 'extermination'.

Well done.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803677579024421375

Nitwit Yahoo has always been a mindless fanatic. His popularity is decreasing among Jews worldwide. Bomb Boy Biden is right there with Bibi on the wrong side of history...

 

[shack]

Palestinians did not choose partition or to be invaded by terrorist zionists.

The Palestinians and Jews were given the same options at the time of partition.

One side accepted what was offered. The other didn't. Poor choice by the Palis.

 

[Klatuu]

The Palestinians and Jews were given the same options at the time of partition.

One side accepted what was offered. The other didn't. Poor choice by the Palis.

Fiction

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805674269080256739

 

[Frankfooter]

The Palestinians and Jews were given the same options at the time of partition.

One side accepted what was offered. The other didn't. Poor choice by the Palis.

What option?
The UK just told them that the UK was giving half of Palestine to a terrorist, foreign colonial movement.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791466554317852990

 

[shack]

So your moronic argument is now that listening to what Palestinians say is cherry picking because you don't like what they say?

Holy fuck are your arguments stupid.

Because Israel won't allow that to happen and infact says that they won't allow that to happen. And the Palestinians know it. Therefore when you say one state, even if such a state were to be established what that means for the Palestinians is a state where they are 2nd class citizens. They dont want that.

Oh is it because Judaism started in Israel? Well so did Christianity and Islam. So by that logic are you now saying then that Israel is the ancestral homeland of Christians and Muslims? As someone who was raised Christian I should then be able to invade Israel and establish a Christian state in Israel. No? Oh and so can Muslims then. Talk about moronic own goals.

The issue is not with Judaism. The issue is with EUROPEAN WHITE PEOPLE who had no business in Palestine colonizing the land for themselves using some religious mumbo jumbo.

This is why Israel's formation is illegitimate.

But okay, now that it is done and dusted, yes, all people there should live equally in a secular, democratic, constitutional republic. Not an apartheid Jewish ethno-state that is Israel today.

How stupid is it to argue that people immigrating to an established state like Canada, using immigration laws, are settlers?

Settlers are colonialists, who migrate to lands where a state has not been established and settle down there. Immigrants immigrate to a STATE. There were no immigration laws that existed back in the day with the majority of Jews settling in Mandatory Palestine under British occupation.

Your posts are just blatantly and laughably dishonest. I mean they aren't even glib. And you know why you are having to resort to such kooky bullshit much like your Ziontology? Because you dont actually have an argument and in order to even remotely appear competent in the debate, you need to resort to lies and bullshit. Much like your Zionist buddies and their "chosen people" moving to their "ancestral homeland" nonsense.

And ending with another kooky lie. Hamas and PA dont say it. "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" means that Palestinians one day will not live under apartheid and oppression. The Likud party charter saying "From the sea to Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" denies Palestinian identity, and is therefore genocidal. Anyone with basic intelligence, an ounce of common sense and a remote sense of honesty, will be able to see the difference in those 2 statements.

You're getting made to look like a moron again. And by so many different posters. You provide entertainment every day. Waiting for bc's retort.

 

[shack]

I'm the one calling for peace.

That's a lie. You've publicly stated that you want 500,000 Gazans to die by shielding Hamas so you can demonize Israel.

 

[shack]

The US put that in the resolution yet Israel refuses to agree to it, while Hamas already said they will abide the resolution.

That's a bald-faced lie. bc provided the quote from the UN. That's the same UN that you claim we need to obey.

 

[shack]

Fiction

History.

 

[shack]

What option?
The UK just told them...

...that if they wanted their own state, like they were giving Israel, they should accept the offer. There was no recognized independent state of Palestine. As such, nothing was taken from the Arabs. The UN recognized Israel as a legitimate state.