I back a ceasefire. Hamas doesn't and neither do you.
And I respect people enough to listen to what they say. Unlike you and K, I don't pretend to speak for them and I'm not afraid to agree or criticize them when appropriate.
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And I respect people enough to listen to what they say. Unlike you and K, I don't pretend to speak for them and I'm not afraid to agree or criticize them when appropriate.
A million Ottoman Jews and several hundred thousand Jewish immigrants.
Palestinian leaders chose war.
p.s. Seems the Brits did far worse here but you don't give a shit.
So you back the Canadian solution?
Giving the indigenous full human rights, including the vote?
Zionism is done.
Maybe its just time to give Palestine back to Palestinians.
Hamas backs a ceasefire, its Israel that refuses to send the UN a letter saying they will support the US resolution.
If you really respected Palestinians and listened to them you would have argued for the end of the occupation decades ago.
Instead you claimed 'the settlements aren't the problem'.
Zionists are the problem and they've always been the problem.
So now you think Israel is like Canada was 200 years ago and that's your argument?
What next, you gonna argue that since the US used slavery then its ok if zionists enact slavery too?
That's just so messed up.
You need to bring your morals and values into this century.
You should try thinking instead of just spamming tweets.
Under the Ottomans, Jerusalem and Hebron had significant indigenous Jewish communities.
And when the Ottoman Empire broke up, each ethnic group (except the Kurds) got a piece of it. Why do you think the million Ottoman Jews should be excluded?
And that is proof of your stupid double standard.
Canada and the US exist as they do because the Brits (and French and Spanish) decided they wanted the land. There was no European presence in the Americas and no history other than a few Norse expeditions. The entirety of the US and Canadian systems are the result of Europeans imposing their will by force and our 'legitimacy" is based solely on the fact we were strong enough to hold it and the modern system is still directly descended from the British form of government they imposed.
Israel has a Jewish history going back thousands of years and has always been the location of Judaism's holiest sites. More importantly, there have always been Jews there. The numbers have varied over time as invaders and colonizers like the Romans, Islamic Empires, and Crusader states imposed exiles, repression, or periods of pluralism. It's also worth noting that each of those groups and the Ottomans were just as imperial and colonizers as Industrial era Europeans.
Pre-zionism, Ottoman censuses show Jews being either the largest or one of the largest ethnicities in Jerusalem and showed hundreds of thousands of Jews elsewhere in their empire. When the Ottoman Empire collapsed, various ethnic groups ended up with their own states, often involving population transfers as ethnicities collected together. Examples include Greece, Bosnia, Egypt, Libya, Armenia, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Yemen, and Iraq.
And Israel was formed by the UN; there is nothing else that gives a state such legitimacy in the modern world. And sorry but the fact that Israel did openly and freely give citizenship to every Arab who chose to stay inside Israel proves your claims wrong.
As for status, you are just as much as a settler as the rest of us. None of us were alive when the Brits/French took Canada but we do benefit from the theft and genocide that occurred and we do sit by as people like Doug Ford continue to try and take land from them. And laughable that you claim being an immigrant (without permission of the indigenous) makes you exempt from the ongoing persecution of Canada's indigenous while at the same time, condemning immigrants to Israel as illegitimate based solely on your idiotic perception Israel (but not Canada) being illegitimate.
Wow you're being disingenuous. I can show you many, many polls conducted BY Palestinians and there is not a single one that says the majority want an egalitarian One State peace where Jews and Palestinians have equal rights. Depending on time and polling agency, the support for a One State peace in the past decade has been between single digits and 30% with support for a Two State peace between 35 and 55% (Gazans in March had 62% support).
Your claims of "cherry picking" are simply your desperate attempt to justify your belief that Palestinians need to do what you want.
Check out Palestine before zionists took over, if you're interested in the history.
It was a diverse and safe.
So that makes it ok that zionists decided they wanted all of Palestine?
Canada and the US stopped killing our indigenous 100 years ago.
Somehow you think its ok that Israel still takes indigenous Palestinian land and kills them all in the process.
Do you think Jews wanted an egalitarian state with the nazis after WWII?
Why do you think Palestinians shouldn't be just as pissed after experiencing their own genocide?
How is Israel ever going to make it up?
Giving them self determination.
Despite the wrongs that Canada did and continues to do, Canada's Indigenous CHOOSE to be Canadians within the context of the treaties. Palestinians on the other hand overwhelmingly CHOOSE NOT To be Israeli (no matter how much you think they need you to tell them what to do).
So your moronic argument is now that listening to what Palestinians say is cherry picking because you don't like what they say?
They say they oppose an egalitarian One-State solution. The only misinterpretation is you believing you have the right to speak for them.
Holy fuck are your arguments stupid. Are you really pretending that Europeans didn't think they had the right to North America? Of course you ignore that there were a million indigenous Jews in the Ottoman Empire.
p.s. Israel is not the birthplace of Islam.
Self owned.
The picture is of Tel Aviv, a community built by Jews on land they purchased.
This Photo Allegedly Shows What a Beach in Palestine Looked Like Before Israel Was Founded. We Delved into Its History
The photograph displays a beachfront built as prime example of Bauhaus architecture.
It makes you an awesome hypocrite since you are the exact same kind of settler you believe Israelis are.
Another justification for Palestinians rejecting peace? Their leaders are the ones who for 100 years have been using violence to prevent peace.
You think you are the hero Palestinians are looking for but they don't buy what you are selling.
Its time to give Palestine back to the Palestinians.
The zionist project has gone to its conclusion, after genocide it needs to be ended like the nazis.
Returning stolen land doesn't make you a settler.
Nice try.
Its zionists that ended peace and refuse to stop stealing land in order to settle peacefully.
Its not the fault of the indigenous people.
Zionists are always trying to rewrite history to justify colonizing Palestine.
