Since when the PSE included BBFS?

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At least one agency that advertises here uses the following in their service description for some ladies:
" Filming +200, Swallow +100, 30/45min RIM +50, 30min CIM +50, COF(LAST BOOKING ONLY) +100, Special Service +200. "
For a long time I wondered what "special service" meant. Someone was kind enough to PM me.
Maybe he was wrong or lying, and it's possible that I'm passing on false information, but it seems to be common knowledge what "special service" is.
Ok. That explains it better. It is actually listed as the words “special services”.

That is what I was clarifying. If PSE automatically included BBFS in its definition, ad could just PSE + $$$ and every one would know what it is but clearly that is it the case because it either says BBFS or now I’m learning “Special Services. “
Thank you for your post and explanation
 
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Terb user guideline 10: .. Posts alleging substance abuse or health issues will also not be permitted, as well as allegations or discussion of BBFS

If discussion of BBFS is not permitted, why has this thread been allowed to persist for so long. SMH
 
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For lack of a better term..it's a PSA..I think as long as it doesn't denigrate into a "SHE/HE/THEY are offering it and the discussion remains civil....I think it's healthy to discuss issues that may be harmful to all involved....hiding our heads in the sand ...helps nobody!
 

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Terb user guideline 10: .. Posts alleging substance abuse or health issues will also not be permitted, as well as allegations or discussion of BBFS

If discussion of BBFS is not permitted, why has this thread been allowed to persist for so long. SMH
I think it’s because it’s being discussed in more of an abstract way, about expectations of guys/ sp’s, about safety issues, rather than who offers it or who doesn’t, which is the type of discussion the rules of the board are likely trying to discourage.
 

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It is a premium service to offer. For example at asian incall agencies, almost every Japanese escort coming through had a "special service +200" advertised on the menu. That is 99% of the time referring to bbfs. So this may be a cultural thing.
No this is trafficking lol these girls are brought here and MUST pay the piper.
 
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Your definitions and expectations are wild. And in the 10 years I have been around and in the 30 years old long careeer of some escorts I know, PSE NEVER included BBFS. From all the hobbyist I know who have had 30/40/50 years in this hobby have never expected BBFS as apart of PSE. The fact that we have to say no BBFS now is appalling in my opinion.

PSE is porn stuff like FF, DT, Greek, etc but not full fluid exchange. That is fucked beyond measure. hell, the porn I watch is all covered intercourse with nude colour rubbers.
If a guy EVER even suggested BBFS i'd blacklist him into oblivion because if he's willing to risk that who the f*ck knows if he'd try to stealth/assault you to get what he wants anyways.
 

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No this is trafficking lol these girls are brought here and MUST pay the pipper.
I too am struck by the number of this type of ad/ agency that openly advertises these services, when it is very rare otherwise (and most of those ads advertising it are fake). There has to be a reason, and I think you may have hit the nail on the head.
 

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I too am struck by the number of this type of ad/ agency that openly advertises these services, when it is very rare otherwise (and most of those ads advertising it are fake). There has to be a reason, and I think you may have hit the nail on the head.
It is not rare in the GTA. It is offered openly
 

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If a guy EVER even suggested BBFS i'd blacklist him into oblivion because if he's willing to risk that who the f*ck knows if he'd try to stealth/assault you to get what he wants anyways.
If an SP EVER even suggested BBFS I'd blacklist her into oblivion who knows what is churning in that melting pot of disease. And if an SP ever suggested BBBJ .... oh, wait .... are we including all orifices in this parade of righteous declarations ?

Yes, guys who request BBFS are just the type to stealth/assault you to get what he wants. And those guys requesting BBBJ are known to steal babies ! :eek: I find it somewhat amusing that a profession that is viewed by enough of a segment of the population so immoral that it is in itself illegal, passes it's own moral indignation of the degree some SPs offer service.

BTW: If customers and SPs are willing to engage in BBFS - they are made for each other - have fun. They are adults, it's their lives.

The pandering and twisting of facts to justify one's beliefs is incredible on this board. PSE= Porn Star Experience - but porn stars don't have unprotected sex on film ???? A little dose of reality would be nice.
 
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Terb user guideline 10: .. Posts alleging substance abuse or health issues will also not be permitted, as well as allegations or discussion of BBFS

If discussion of BBFS is not permitted, why has this thread been allowed to persist for so long. SMH
Father Flanagan who wrote that rule hasn't read this thread.

It is an Escort review board - if you have a faint heart at the discussion of sex in all it's forms - you are running the wrong message board.

This discussion isn't a promotion of BBFS (which if banned would make children a distant memory) - it is more about the presentation of the technique in the escort as well as perception in society.

Even if I'm in the minority and losing the argument - it is a fascinating exchange of ideas.
 
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If a guy EVER even suggested BBFS i'd blacklist him into oblivion because if he's willing to risk that who the f*ck knows if he'd try to stealth/assault you to get what he wants anyways.
BBFS is not okay. But after a couple of guys are serviced, the next guy comes along and its okay for BBBJ, DATY, DATO and DFK (exchange of saliva) with no knowledge whether any of these guys has a serious infection or STD? SMH
 

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All that matters is statistics, not opinions or propaganda.

And the simple fact is that as a result of decreased condom use for vaginal and anal intercourse, STIs have been on the increase in recent years.


That decreased condom use for vaginal sex has creeped into sex work, unfortunately. Sex with a sex worker is not any different than sex with a “civilian” in spite of the media nonsense. The STI percentage for “upper-end“ sex workers has always been lower than the general population, and the STI percentage for street hookers has always been higher than the general population. The media and abolitionists focus on the street scene to justify their misleading claims. There are lies, damned lies, then there are statistics, as the famous saying goes.

No doubt as BBFS has increased in general society, the STI rates have gone up in general society, and as the percentage of sex workers who offer it has gone up, the percentage of those sex workers (and their customers) who get an STI will increase.

I just saw a new sex worker in a U.S. city a week or so ago (new to me, a rerun for her many regulars) and she has a lot of knowledge and interest in the industry. She was hardly inhibited since she was fetish friendly, loved anal play, and did BBBJ and CIM. She was concerned about the number of ladies offering BBFS and said it mostly started with Asian agencies. This seems true worldwide. There are a number of posts on the Punter Planet board about the predominant Asian incall place having ladies write notes during the session offering BBFS for an upsell.

I do think the trend of a few escorts who also do porn offering BBFS if a full test was taken within a few days prior contributes to the problem, also. The problem isn’t with the sex with those escorts, it is the fact that lower cost escorts see it and then offer BBFS without the tests.

Personally, I don’t get it. If a person can’t finish in a condom, just book an escort who allows a finish in her mouth and/or hand. It feels just as good.

But I also think the propaganda lovers who continue to be resistant to BBBJ even though the statistics and practical case studies don’t support the hypothesis that BBBJ, and even CIM, are significant STI transmission risks are part of the problem. They are the little boy that continued to cry wolf for so long, that everyone ignores him when the real wolf (STIs from BBFS) arrives.
 

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TERB Guideline 10 needs to be amended to include "Special Services" Hope that will end the discussion.

Why would you want to end the discussion?
It seems like a healthy discussion that is educating people and not hurting anyone.
Blue Heron took the time to express the same sentiment in the Would you expose a cheater thread


Questions like this and others posted this week defy reasonable logic.
Cannot believe that responsible adult men will ask such questions.
 
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Comprehend my comment
Healthy discussion of BBFS ? :LOL:
Stop trolling

He is referring to the discussion being healthy. Not BBFS being healthy. If you followed along with an open mind, you'd see this anti--BBFS discussion is giving plenty of reasons why BBFS is unhealthy.

Speaking of trolling... why do you take the time to try to create controversy and shut down discussions? We are not all as smart as you and many of us still think we can learn from others opinions, experiences and knowledge.
 

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I've always operated under the premise that full PSE = the additions of COF, Greek and Rimming. YMMV of course.
Under no circumstances does it imply BBFS.
 

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That’s what I was thinking. Looks like here ppl think that only BBFS and BBBJ are unsafe and rest like DFK, DATO, DATY, DFK are all safe.
If you involved in sexual activity in exchange of “Roses” or have multiple sexual partners, you are consciously making a decision that it is ok to have few things. Every individual has different limit.
Nobody said it was better. We just said that first - partaking in these activities thinking a bunch of prescriptions will keep you safe is not quite right and also as a provider, I am wondering were do we draw a line in what is expected
By the industry as standard services. We do not bbbj not because we want to. It's mostly because the industry in Toronto requires it and we got bills to pay. Noone is better but when does it stops?
 
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