Since when the PSE included BBFS?

[princekwekua]

Except it was implied that we are saying they are safe. We are not. We haven’t. So that statement is 100% false. No one has made that claim. I don’t get why the implication was made that we have been claiming that it is safe or that it is safer or anything if the sort.

As for your comment, are you expecting reviewers and SPs to write a disclaimer about unsafe services and possible STDs they can get? I don’t understand your point.

If the other services involving saliva are deemed unsafe, why is it not acknowledged with the same vehemence as BBFS? Silence is acquiescence is my point.

 

[Josephine]

Yes, but just like the U.S. and its legal Nevada brothels, almost no one goes to the non-Asian legal places in Australia due to the clinical level of services.

Almost all of the Punter Planet reports are of the independents, most of whom offer BBBJ, none of whom offer BBFS.

I suspect that the STI rate of Australian independent escorts is lower than the general population.

The problems in those two countries is not as prevalent in Canada due to Canada’s strong agency system. But it is still an issue to an extent in Canada.

The Australian independents that advertise on Scarlet Blue and Ivy Societe have an hourly rate that a lot of the “common man” in Australia finds unacceptable.

So he starts going to the lowest priced Asian groups. Almost all of the ISG reports for Australia are of the lowest priced Asian groups.

Sooner or later, the transient Asian providers start offering BBFS and even CIP for an upsell. We are seeing it in the U.S., and Punter Planet in Australia has reports of it occurring at several Asian places. The fact that Punter Planet allows it to be posted angers many independents who ask customers not to post reviews there. So you get less valuable information.

You get this horrific economic result. GFE Independents who are perceived as way too expensive. Legal but clinical services that no one wants, and as a result of the lack of customers those places end up getting filled by the over-the-hill ladies. And illegal transient immigrants who don’t make much and eventually succumb to the pressures of offering BBFS. And their customers eventually expect that from the independent escorts who are angered by the expectation.

Nothing fucks up a market like too many poor people and too many even poorer transient immigrants with no power over their lives. Canada’s strong agency system keeps that from occurring to the same extent. Hopefully it stays that way as a stabilizing force.

Maybe not the same extent but clearly there is a wind of changes. Thank you for explaining so well.

 

[Josephine]

If the other services involving saliva are deemed unsafe, why is it not acknowledged with the same vehemence as BBFS? Silence is acquiescence is my point.

It was! Before it became so common....you are a member since 2021 so you didn't see it. I have been around since 2017. After, there was a wave of "no service shaming" and people stopped talking. I guess that in a couple of years, if the tendency is maintained, bbfs will become just as common and noone will talk about it anymore. But I won't be here to watch. This is the limit that I gave to myself and will never cross unless it's my life partner. I just hope that threads like this will help people and educate them enough so they can see both side and take the proper decision for themselves.

 

[Jenesis]

If the other services involving saliva are deemed unsafe, why is it not acknowledged with the same vehemence as BBFS? Silence is acquiescence is my point.

Um - again, were did anyone say that bbbj was safe? Because that was the original statement I called into question. Now you have backpeddled and agreed it was not claimed by anyone in the thread but …..
Give me a break. Nice lead into what you really wanted to say cupcake. Good on you.


But for funzies - I don’t know why the entire industry doesn’t put in your little disclaimer in their reviews, or why men don’t insist on CBJ with no CIM and swallow. Maybe ask them. Maybe direct all your questions to the recent polling threads on what services and preference guys have. Why not go in there and ask all the men who voted BBBJ, why on earth they would take such risks??????

Or maybe because not all fluid transfer is on the same level of risk as BBFS, people on both sides have decide the risk of something like bbbj is acceptable. Not all risk has to be accepted simply because one type of risk is. A bbbj does not have the same risk of HIV as BBFS. Maybe people know this and know the more minimal the risk is and therefore the industry has accepted that smaller risk as a whole. (But let’s be real - you already fucking know that.)

But please - go into every review you read and remind people the dangers of BBBJ. I dare you. Just give me a heads up so I can watch the shit show please.

I mean maybe we just ban sex altogether since condoms do nothing for STDs you can get with skin to skin contact. Thats the ticket right there! Let’s band together and make it happen since you’re so concerned and not just trolling around.

Since as stated, you have been here since basically the beginning of the site, you have watch the progressions yourself. I mean you know the damn answer. Why put it on us escorts to answer for you unless you are just trying to shame into bbfs, and make it more acceptable like the shaming into bbbjs back in the day or you are just looking to shame us for the services we already currently do offer. Don’t play these stupid games and think we are stupid to not see it for what it is or play them but I’m not playing back. All you are going to say is “but Jen, I’m serious. I don’t understand why. I’m just trying to understand. I promise.” just to keep the game along.

 

[DesRicardo]

It was! Before it became so common....you are a member since 2021 so you didn't see it. I have been around since 2017. After, there was a wave of "no service shaming" and people stopped talking. I guess that in a couple of years, if the tendency is maintained, bbfs will become just as common and noone will talk about it anymore. But I won't be here to watch. This is the limit that I gave to myself and will never cross unless it's my life partner. I just hope that threads like this will help people and educate them enough so they can see both side and take the proper decision for themselves.

He must not have been around when BBBJs were fairly uncommon or at least highly selective. CBJ was the standard.

An acronym I'm seeing less and less of is ymmv.

 

[princekwekua]

It was! Before it became so common....you are a member since 2021 so you didn't see it. I have been around since 2017. After, there was a wave of "no service shaming" and people stopped talking.

Wasnt aware. Thanks for the intelligent response

 

[Josephine]

Wasnt aware. Thanks for the intelligent response

You are very welcome!

When I entered the game 10yrs ago, review boards (caerf, lyla, terb and the blue board) were very strong. The pressure to offer unprotected services rose and it became more and more difficult to make money all safe unless you are top DDG. The rest is history. You don't see a lot of all safe agency or by the book mp's anymore.

 

[SchlongConery]

Not true in the UK.

Same with Germany. In fact, I've never heard of the acronym PSE or GFE there.

AO is waht they call bbfs over there. It translates to "Alles Ohne" to "All Without" or something like that.

Notably, while prostitution is legal and widely available, BBFS is illegal and according to the ISG FKK forums, even asking is pretty strictly frowned upon by the girls at FKK's (sauna club brothels). I've never even so much as encountered the offer in any FKK in 30 years of going to Germany.

 

[SchlongConery]

Um - again, were did anyone say that bbbj was safe? Because that was the original statement I called into question. Now you have backpeddled and agreed it was not claimed by anyone in the thread but …..
Give me a break. Nice lead into what you really wanted to say cupcake. Good on you.


But for funzies - I don’t know why the entire industry doesn’t put in your little disclaimer in their reviews, or why men don’t insist on CBJ with no CIM and swallow. Maybe ask them. Maybe direct all your questions to the recent polling threads on what services and preference guys have. Why not go in there and ask all the men who voted BBBJ, why on earth they would take such risks??????

Or maybe because not all fluid transfer is on the same level of risk as BBFS, people on both sides have decide the risk of something like bbbj is acceptable. Not all risk has to be accepted simply because one type of risk is. A bbbj does not have the same risk of HIV as BBFS. Maybe people know this and know the more minimal the risk is and therefore the industry has accepted that smaller risk as a whole. (But let’s be real - you already fucking know that.)

But please - go into every review you read and remind people the dangers of BBBJ. I dare you. Just give me a heads up so I can watch the shit show please.

I mean maybe we just ban sex altogether since condoms do nothing for STDs you can get with skin to skin contact. Thats the ticket right there! Let’s band together and make it happen since you’re so concerned and not just trolling around.

Since as stated, you have been here since basically the beginning of the site, you have watch the progressions yourself. I mean you know the damn answer. Why put it on us escorts to answer for you unless you are just trying to shame into bbfs, and make it more acceptable like the shaming into bbbjs back in the day or you are just looking to shame us for the services we already currently do offer. Don’t play these stupid games and think we are stupid to not see it for what it is or play them but I’m not playing back. All you are going to say is “but Jen, I’m serious. I don’t understand why. I’m just trying to understand. I promise.” just to keep the game along.

 

[Josephine]

Of course he was aware. Clearly just trolling to be a jerk. His join date is 2001. CBJ was the standard then until the EE influx. He knows this. He is just playing dumb now

Josephine is right in her fear about BBFs. The EE wave put pressure on regular escorts to keep up by adding BBBJ and even greek to their menu as many EE were coming to Canada on a Visa and doing everything and anything they could to make as much as possible to send home, pay their broker who for them here or because they only had like 6 months before they had to go home. now apparently it is the Asian with BBFS.

Oh I forgot about that. The EE wave. That contribuate to it too. Trafficking is really sad. It's like noone cares about these girls. If they were not encouraged, situation like this would not happen.

 

[y2kmark]

I post my ad usually as a GFE - PSE provider But in the past few months I always got questions about BBFS service. When I ask why you asked this, the clients said: PSE must included BBFS. They got this info online. So I checked this out and that's true. It's very sad because BBFS was never part of PSE. So right now I canceled the PSE from my ad because it's cause misunderstanding. So guys what do you think about PSE service? What is included and what is not?

Only in the movies does PSE mean BBFS. The people asking probably live in that porn movie world, or want to, anyway...

 

[Jenesis]

Oh I forgot about that. The EE wave. That contribuate to it too. Trafficking is really sad. It kills the industry.

I’m just glad I’ll be gone by the time this shit really hits the fan. I feel bad for the future ladies entering the business though.

Just look at everything a typical agency girl has to perform for a measly 100/hh and 160/hr after agency cut. BBBJ CIMWS Rimming GREEK etc. It is sad.

 

[Daddy2021]

I’m just glad I’ll be gone by the time this shit really hits the fan. I feel bad for the future ladies entering the business though.

Just look at everything a typical agency girl has to perform for a measly 100/hh and 160/hr after agency cut. BBBJ CIMWS Rimming GREEK etc. It is sad.

Basically being forced into providing all those services. You see the complaints if it’s not offered on here then the agency -pimps responding with ‘ we spoke to her ‘ bullshit and idiots on here chiming in ‘ great customer service’. I refuse to use agency girls because of this. Call them what they are. Pimps. Plain and simple. They are also pushing for bbbj cimsw. Forcing the ladies to dfk as well.

 

[Jenesis]

Basically being forced into providing all those services. You see the complaints if it’s not offered on here then the agency -pimps responding with ‘ we spoke to her ‘ bullshit and idiots on here chiming in ‘ great customer service’. I refuse to use agency girls because of this. Call them what they are. Pimps. Plain and simple. They are also pushing for bbbj cimsw. Forcing the ladies to dfk as well.

They don’t “force”, they just won’t hire the girl. That is how they get away with it.

Don’t get me wrong, agencies have their place but they could do a lot more for the industry as a whole if they set higher standards and looked out for the girls then bottomline.

 

[channel36]

PSE never meant BBFS - that ish use to be blacklist material.

 

[Josephine]

Basically being forced into providing all those services. You see the complaints if it’s not offered on here then the agency -pimps responding with ‘ we spoke to her ‘ bullshit and idiots on here chiming in ‘ great customer service’. I refuse to use agency girls because of this. Call them what they are. Pimps. Plain and simple. They are also pushing for bbbj cimsw. Forcing the ladies to dfk as well.

I heard that recently warnings were sent to some agency's vip club that guys requesting bbfs and
would get the boot.Hopefully others follow...changes take time.

 

[Daddy2021]

They don’t “force”, they just won’t hire the girl. That is how they get away with it.

Don’t get me wrong, agencies have their place but they could do a lot more for the industry as a whole if they set higher standards and looked out for the girls then bottomline.

Well not forced in the general sense. However you see them responding with ‘ we talked to her and it won’t happen again.’ So fear of them getting fired in that sense.

 

[Daddy2021]

I heard that recently warnings were sent to some agency's vip club that guys requesting bbfs and
would get the boot.Hopefully others follow...changes takes time.

That’s good at least. Let’s hope that keeps up.

 

[StephenHKing]

I’m just glad I’ll be gone by the time this shit really hits the fan. I feel bad for the future ladies entering the business though.

Just look at everything a typical agency girl has to perform for a measly 100/hh and 160/hr after agency cut. BBBJ CIMWS Rimming GREEK etc. It is sad.

I always appreciate your POV but where are agency girls available for these services at these price points?

I generally use the major downtown agencies and it’s very much become $200/hh and $300-$350/hr, sometimes more.

Very rare (and widely decried) to not get BBBJ but even more rare to hear of BBFS.

It is true when I think about it that more than a few girls have almost just stuck it in, so probably I’m kidding myself about its prevalence.

 

[Jenesis]

I always appreciate your POV but where are agency girls available for these services at these price points?

I generally use the major downtown agencies and it’s very much become $200/hh and $300-$350/hr, sometimes more.

Very rare (and widely decried) to not get BBBJ but even more rare to hear of BBFS.

It is true when I think about it that more than a few girls have almost just stuck it in, so probably I’m kidding myself about its prevalence.

That is their cut AFTER the agency takes yours.

Most agency girls when they first start out at at the $160/250 range for hh/hr. After time they get bumped up. The agency takes $60/100 of each hh/hr call. So a newbie escort is making $100 off a hh to do everything under the sun. Once a girl has been around, She moves up the price ladder and her cut gets higher, the agency rate stays the same.

Now again, agencies need to cover incall costs, etc. I get that. I’m not here to knock the cut. I’m just pointing out all that is expected and remind people the actual small amount the girl actually ends up with for that.