Its about playing the odds. Bbfs maximum odds of catching something. Pussy slide next most risky. Followed by DT in bbbj, then bbbj no dt, then daty/dato.
Since when the PSE included BBFS?
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Where was any of that said in this thread? Where did someone say that those were safe services? This is a BBFS thread. No one was even talking about DFK/Daty, etc. No one was talking BBBJ either.
Can you quote posts were someone said those services were safe? In case I missed it, or maybe you need to retract your statement.
There are statistics showing frequency of stis based on behaviors. For example sometimes gonorrhea or chlamydia gets a foothold in the back of the throat and thus a dt type bj carries a bigger risk than a non dt style. Pussy slide can -not always - comingles the unfavorable bacteria in the vagina into the urethral opening of the penis, where gonorrhea and syphilis and chlamydia get their foothold. Bbfs it's all there for the transmission..
People have become delusional.
IF client calls and ask for BBFS, simply decline.
As mentioned hard to get clients so SP are trying anything to hook people in the door, and they say that is not provided.
Then client sees ad then call their regular girl or close to them, and clients says it must be offered because others offer it.
Delusional
If I am at Alpha Fish Restaurant and the plate is 20.00 and across the street is another restaurant Beta that says on the menu fish is 12.00, should I tell Alpha to charge me 12 because of Beta is selling for 12.00?
Urban Dic is only for the masses to understand the new language of because of delusional people can't speak properly OR ARE HIDING SOMETHING and the rest of the population don't understand.
IF client calls and ask for BBFS, simply decline.
As mentioned hard to get clients so SP are trying anything to hook people in the door, and they say that is not provided.
Then client sees ad then call their regular girl or close to them, and clients says it must be offered because others offer it.
Delusional
If I am at Alpha Fish Restaurant and the plate is 20.00 and across the street is another restaurant Beta that says on the menu fish is 12.00, should I tell Alpha to charge me 12 because of Beta is selling for 12.00?
Urban Dic is only for the masses to understand the new language of because of delusional people can't speak properly OR ARE HIDING SOMETHING and the rest of the population don't understand.
It hasnt been said in this thread those were safe services. But these services are received and described in detail in reviews with nobody declaring them unsafe. One agency even goes as far as describing in detail these services provided by their escorts. No one has declared them usafe as far as I know.
Invasive meningococcal disease, which has a high fatality rate, is cropping up in the GTA. One of the means of transmission is exchange of saliva. BBFS is not the only activity which is not safe
Except it was implied that we are saying they are safe. We are not. We haven’t. So that statement is 100% false. No one has made that claim. I don’t get why the implication was made that we have been claiming that it is safe or that it is safer or anything if the sort.
As for your comment, are you expecting reviewers and SPs to write a disclaimer about unsafe services and possible STDs they can get? I don’t understand your point.
When I started to hobby bbbj or dfk we’re both off the table. Seems we took a more realistic approach to what seeing an sp meant. Now it seems in this forum any most are mileage pigs and demand it all.
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And when it's time to take accountability for the consequences of their actions, it's the sex workers that get the warning. She becomes stigmatized by all. It's always " I caught something from her, avoid" or "she caught something 2 yrs ago, I will stay away". Like we caught something alone on our couch by the finger of Jesus himself just because as sex worker we shall be the vector of diseases, so be it!. They brought the industry there, but some don't have the maturity to partake in what they ask for. I love this job but deep down I know that if something happen to me I'll get crucify. So yeah, where do it stop and with so many of those special service, what are my odds now? It's scary.
You just wash you hands with it because it doesn't concern your livelihood.
If you will go to the lengths of denying stigmatization and turn it into a feminist rant you miss my whole point.
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So, we shouldn't talk to our kids about sex, either?Comprehend my comment
Healthy discussion of BBFS ?
Stop trolling
Maybe I'm missing your point.
I experienced BBFS in the past no foreplay. No cuddling. no talking. no kissing . No Bbbj No massage or sexy outfit Just penetrate for 2 mins and let her sleep. It’s not call PSE or GFE. It’s called wifey experience.
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I'll pipe up here with my opinions:
1. Defining GFE vs PSE by specific services is ludicrous. The key word being experience. How the experience makes you feel is the original essence of each acronym.
Each of these was originally meant to differentiate the experience from than that of a typical mechanical paid sex worker servicing of basic sexual need to get off with a woman instead of your hand.
2. To me, GFE suggests an experience where you feel like you are with your typical girlfriend. Nice, warm feeling, comfortable sexual encounter with a friend or lover. The Sp approaches and treats the session as if she is truly attracted to you and wants to be with you even if she is just acting.
Typically, with a girlfriend you'd have some sort of oral, maybe 69, traditional sex positions etc. If either of you feel the need, then a condom for oral is optional and should not be argued over. Kissing*, to whatever degree is more is part of normal foreplay and/or while having sex with a bf/gf Afterwards you want to feel close, lie together and bask in the shared experience.
3. PSE evokes a feeling that you are a stud fucking a porn star, or she is fucking and sucking you like a porn star. Lots of noisy cocksucking gagging, "yeah, fuck THAT pussy" kind of thing. Trying all different type of unusual positions. Facials, slapping, choking and other mutually agreed to kinks, "special requests" etc with or without extra charges should be agreed to and not assumed. Afterwards you might tend to feel, "Hell ya!, now that was some crazy shit right there!"
Specific services provided should not be assumed, nor expected as part of the above.
4. *Kissing is considered as quite an emotionally intimate act by many. Men and women alike. It was not that long ago that kissing sex workers was one of their hard limits.
Kissing of any type should not be assumed with either GFE or PSE unless specified or agreed to by the sp in advance. And with some of you who have no idea how bad your breath smells, the sp has every right to change her mind at any point. As she does with anything. Kissing while seemingly innocuous, does involve fluid exchange between mucous membranes and has the highest RISK and likelihood of transmiitting an infection of any sort. With the exception of ORAL Type 1 Herpes and meningitis, the CONSEQUENCES of these infections are less dire than say bbfs, bbbj. DATY and rimming.
Risk is different than CONSEQUENCES!
Risk of HIV transmission from an HIV infected woman to a man via vaginal sex is quite low. However, the CONSEQUENCES are life changing, if not life threatening.
Risk of transmission of chlamydia, gonorreha, syphillis, e-coli UTI's is HIGH with bare penetrative sex but perhaps the consequences are relatively lower as the infection can usually be resolved by antibiotics. Current STI testing, a positive result will often identify the specific strain of the infection and the lab will provide a list of antibiotics that are more or less effective in treating THAT strain of the pathogen.
5. A hand job, blow job and vaginal intercourse is considered the basics of any standard rate of a P4P encounter. Unless otherwise noted, as blow and go, hand release only etc.
6. Assume that a session involving penetration with a professional sex worker will be provided with whatever mutual protection a condom provides. Dicks and fingers. Asssume blow jobs and vaginal and anal will be covered.
7. DATY, rimming and fingering is a higher risk but maybe low(er) consequence of infection for the woman. The rimmer risks e-coli infection. The ass getting eaten risks suffering painful herpes 1 infection in the ass. Unprotected oral sex involving bbbj, DATY and rimming has high risk of transmitting several infections of varying CONSEQUENCES.
This is all to say that in MY OPINION as a long time. hobbyist, that GFE vs PSE shouldn't be categorized by ACTS.
Rather, GFE and PSE defines the character of the EXPERIENCE.
1. Defining GFE vs PSE by specific services is ludicrous. The key word being experience. How the experience makes you feel is the original essence of each acronym.
Each of these was originally meant to differentiate the experience from than that of a typical mechanical paid sex worker servicing of basic sexual need to get off with a woman instead of your hand.
2. To me, GFE suggests an experience where you feel like you are with your typical girlfriend. Nice, warm feeling, comfortable sexual encounter with a friend or lover. The Sp approaches and treats the session as if she is truly attracted to you and wants to be with you even if she is just acting.
Typically, with a girlfriend you'd have some sort of oral, maybe 69, traditional sex positions etc. If either of you feel the need, then a condom for oral is optional and should not be argued over. Kissing*, to whatever degree is more is part of normal foreplay and/or while having sex with a bf/gf Afterwards you want to feel close, lie together and bask in the shared experience.
3. PSE evokes a feeling that you are a stud fucking a porn star, or she is fucking and sucking you like a porn star. Lots of noisy cocksucking gagging, "yeah, fuck THAT pussy" kind of thing. Trying all different type of unusual positions. Facials, slapping, choking and other mutually agreed to kinks, "special requests" etc with or without extra charges should be agreed to and not assumed. Afterwards you might tend to feel, "Hell ya!, now that was some crazy shit right there!"
Specific services provided should not be assumed, nor expected as part of the above.
4. *Kissing is considered as quite an emotionally intimate act by many. Men and women alike. It was not that long ago that kissing sex workers was one of their hard limits.
Kissing of any type should not be assumed with either GFE or PSE unless specified or agreed to by the sp in advance. And with some of you who have no idea how bad your breath smells, the sp has every right to change her mind at any point. As she does with anything. Kissing while seemingly innocuous, does involve fluid exchange between mucous membranes and has the highest RISK and likelihood of transmiitting an infection of any sort. With the exception of ORAL Type 1 Herpes and meningitis, the CONSEQUENCES of these infections are less dire than say bbfs, bbbj. DATY and rimming.
Risk is different than CONSEQUENCES!
Risk of HIV transmission from an HIV infected woman to a man via vaginal sex is quite low. However, the CONSEQUENCES are life changing, if not life threatening.
Risk of transmission of chlamydia, gonorreha, syphillis, e-coli UTI's is HIGH with bare penetrative sex but perhaps the consequences are relatively lower as the infection can usually be resolved by antibiotics. Current STI testing, a positive result will often identify the specific strain of the infection and the lab will provide a list of antibiotics that are more or less effective in treating THAT strain of the pathogen.
5. A hand job, blow job and vaginal intercourse is considered the basics of any standard rate of a P4P encounter. Unless otherwise noted, as blow and go, hand release only etc.
6. Assume that a session involving penetration with a professional sex worker will be provided with whatever mutual protection a condom provides. Dicks and fingers. Asssume blow jobs and vaginal and anal will be covered.
7. DATY, rimming and fingering is a higher risk but maybe low(er) consequence of infection for the woman. The rimmer risks e-coli infection. The ass getting eaten risks suffering painful herpes 1 infection in the ass. Unprotected oral sex involving bbbj, DATY and rimming has high risk of transmitting several infections of varying CONSEQUENCES.
This is all to say that in MY OPINION as a long time. hobbyist, that GFE vs PSE shouldn't be categorized by ACTS.
Rather, GFE and PSE defines the character of the EXPERIENCE.
Back in Oz after they legalized and regulated the brothels with mandatory cfs and cbj the rates of stis were lower than the general population. However, when a lady did get something, 90% of the time she got it from her boyfriend, whom she did bbfs with, and he likely messing around on the side.
Anyhow, back to the argument.
PSE does NOT include bbfs. Never has. Never will.
You should probably make that clear in your ad to avoid assholes trying to force you to do it.
You should probably make that clear in your ad to avoid assholes trying to force you to do it.
Yes, but just like the U.S. and its legal Nevada brothels, almost no one goes to the non-Asian legal places in Australia due to the clinical level of services.
Almost all of the Punter Planet reports are of the independents, most of whom offer BBBJ, none of whom offer BBFS.
I suspect that the STI rate of Australian independent escorts is lower than the general population.
The problems in those two countries is not as prevalent in Canada due to Canada’s strong agency system. But it is still an issue to an extent in Canada.
The Australian independents that advertise on Scarlet Blue and Ivy Societe have an hourly rate that a lot of the “common man” in Australia finds unacceptable.
So he starts going to the lowest priced Asian groups. Almost all of the ISG reports for Australia are of the lowest priced Asian groups.
Sooner or later, the transient Asian providers start offering BBFS and even CIP for an upsell. We are seeing it in the U.S., and Punter Planet in Australia has reports of it occurring at several Asian places. The fact that Punter Planet allows it to be posted angers many independents who ask customers not to post reviews there. So you get less valuable information.
You get this horrific economic result. GFE Independents who are perceived as way too expensive. Legal but clinical services that no one wants, and as a result of the lack of customers those places end up getting filled by the over-the-hill ladies. And illegal transient immigrants who don’t make much and eventually succumb to the pressures of offering BBFS. And their customers eventually expect that from the independent escorts who are angered by the expectation.
Nothing fucks up a market like too many poor people and too many even poorer transient immigrants with no power over their lives. Canada’s strong agency system keeps that from occurring to the same extent. Hopefully it stays that way as a stabilizing force.
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