Since when the PSE included BBFS?

[kherg007]

It's the new "woke" era in the sw world. Let people have the sex they want because now with multiple prescriptions, you can avoid most of the consequences.

The only problem now is that we are not in a situation of "risk reduction" but more of "dammage control" because very few people possess that knowledge and still offers it. I feel that by normalizing bbfs we are not doing any service to the industry. It's actually quite the opposite because the knowledge is not where where it matters the most. Agencies, mp's and young sex workers do not have proper guidance.

So true.
These people fail to realize each time a virus or bacterium replicates there is a chance of mutation. Hundreds of thousands of replications happen with each infestation. That's how you get infectious diseases that end up being resistant to antibiotics or anti virals. Thus just allowing it to happen then belatedly treating it is in the long haul a losing, short sighted strategy.
There are blokes who see getting bbfs as a point of pride, but many of them are shit-for-brains types.

 

[Jenesis]

I stand corrected… and terrified. Had no idea how frequent this was. Even the open conversation about it is surprising.

Hoping the agencies I frequent have less BBFS clients, but perhaps not.

Don’t stand corrected. You have how many people in this thread saying PSE does not mean BBFS and you have one guy coming in saying that it wrong. I would listen to the masses personally.

 

[kherg007]

Your definitions and expectations are wild. And in the 10 years I have been around and in the 30 years old long careeer of some escorts I know, PSE NEVER included BBFS. From all the hobbyist I know who have had 30/40/50 years in this hobby have never expected BBFS as apart of PSE. The fact that we have to say no BBFS now is appalling in my opinion.

PSE is porn stuff like FF, DT, Greek, etc but not full fluid exchange. That is fucked beyond measure. hell, the porn I watch is all covered intercourse with nude colour rubbers.

Agreed. In 10 years, in many countries, PSE has never included bbfs. Ever.
As many of you noted, the issue is often definitions of pse, and how it varies from woman to woman. Some it means Greek. Others more the attitude of sex - hard aggressive VS soft and warm gfe. Like restaurants offering small, medium, and large. Not every large is the same size etc. There is no universal standard. But it's her choice how she defines it.
Somewhere underneath this entire discussion is an undertone of pissing on women's autonomy. The same way blokes feel if they've paid for the service they demand what they want without recognizing they're dealing with human beings. Thus they want to impose their definition then demand it.

 

[seanzo]

Normally I wouldn't chime in on a thread like this, but my personal experience is that bbfs is far more common than anybody here would care to admit. During my active period seeing escorts in Toronto (roughly 08-15ish) it was a shockingly common offer, especially after seeing the same escort several times. The fact that it's more in the open now really doesn't surprise me all that much given the state of the country at the moment

 

[Jenesis]

Normally I wouldn't chime in on a thread like this, but my personal experience is that bbfs is far more common than anybody here would care to admit. During my active period seeing escorts in Toronto (roughly 08-15ish) it was a shockingly common offer, especially after seeing the same escort several times. The fact that it's more in the open now really doesn't surprise me all that much given the state of the country at the moment

No one is denying that BBFS is offered. And has not been offered more and more lately. I just wrote that it is being offered more by ladies simply because of the economic time. Girls are giving “specials” on regular rates for regular service and giving BBFS for the regular rate. That has been going on for a while and a lot more since COVID than pre-COVID.

That is not what we are talking about though. We are discussing if BBFS is included in the advertising of PSE services. There is a difference. These girls offering BBFS are not secretly doing through the acronym PSE. At least not to my understanding.

Offering and advertising are different. Girls I see openly advertising just use BB available.

 

[lomotil]

It’s farm to table paid sex but it would be interesting to see a “ regrets or casualty “ thread or forum which will not happen though.

 

[IRIS]

And this stupid question from bbfs seekers always: "Do you have ANY restrictions? I'm very clean!"
And that seconds I know, he's an other retarded. ( Or mentally challenged for the woke generation )

 

[seanzo]

No one is denying that BBFS is offered. And has not been offered more and more lately. I just wrote that it is being offered more by ladies simply because of the economic time. Girls are giving “specials” on regular rates for regular service and giving BBFS for the regular rate. That has been going on for a while and a lot more since COVID than pre-COVID.

That is not what we are talking about though. We are discussing if BBFS is included in the advertising of PSE services. There is a difference. These girls offering BBFS are not secretly doing through the acronym PSE. At least not to my understanding.

Offering and advertising are different. Girls I see openly advertising just use BB available.

For those of us who aren't veterans of this scene, the confusion is easy to understand. How many porn stars do you see using condoms these days. I literally can't remember the last time I saw condoms being used. Combine that with widely varying definitions online of what does or does not constitute 'pse' and is it really such a surprise? Furthermore, my experience with these acronyms has varied widely from pse meaning everything covered to safe gfe meaning not so safe gfe. I've always been of the opinion that they are almost completely useless in gauging how your experience with a particular escort will pan out. Much like the reviews on this site

 

[Jenesis]

For those of us who aren't veterans of this scene, the confusion is easy to understand. How many porn stars do you see using condoms these days. I literally can't remember the last time I saw condoms being used. Combine that with widely varying definitions online of what does or does not constitute 'pse' and is it really such a surprise? Furthermore, my experience with these acronyms has varied widely from pse meaning everything covered to safe gfe meaning not so safe gfe. I've always been of the opinion that they are almost completely useless in gauging how your experience with a particular escort will pan out. Much like the reviews on this site

I always see nude rubbers in porn. Is that just me?

 

[IM469]

No one is denying that BBFS is offered. And has not been offered more and more lately. I just wrote that it is being offered more by ladies simply because of the economic time. Girls are giving “specials” on regular rates for regular service and giving BBFS for the regular rate. That has been going on for a while and a lot more since COVID than pre-COVID.

That is not what we are talking about though. We are discussing if BBFS is included in the advertising of PSE services. There is a difference. These girls offering BBFS are not secretly doing through the acronym PSE. At least not to my understanding.

Offering and advertising are different. Girls I see openly advertising just use BB available.

You seem to double back on your logic multiple times. You opened this thread complaining about some people's expectations of PSE then preach nobody offers it and then condemning those that do offer BBFS.

You only watch pornos with covered dicks - that is not easy to find but very telling in itself. All sex including that with your boyfriend is covered - because deep inside you don't trust him ?

My interpretations are personal and subject to ridicule but maybe you can help out clarifying how yours are different:

PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.

My interpretation of your offering closely aligns with my understanding of GFE - sex with an inherent distrust of your partner - paying or a boyfriend. In my perverse world, one of life's greatest pleasures is the close and unrestricted passion of BB sex with a loved one. The all encompassing warmth of her embrace, the feeling as you gaze into her eyes as you throb and cum in her welcoming pussy .... we are obviously incompatible.

So if PSE - my version of unrestricted sexual passion is not PSE - then tell me - what is unrestricted passion including BBFS called ?

I would not engage in PSE without a condom with an SP. That does not change my understanding of the meaning. I don't think my understanding is that different from many other men. The name is derived from porno films and in most - sex is totally uninhibited.

You are hanging your shingle for PSE services. The restriction are your choice but don't be surprised if people drawn to your promises are not aware of them. 'PSE - condoms only' is a more honest approach.

 

[IM469]

I always see nude rubbers in porn. Is that just me?

' Penile–vaginal intercourse was protected with condoms in 3% of heterosexual scenes. '

Just Googled and found this survey which also included homosexual porn. It did have vanal stats but I don't do anal so it is moot for me.

Condom Use and High-Risk Sexual Acts in Adult Films: A Comparison of Heterosexual and Homosexual Films

Objectives. We compared the prevalence of condom use during a variety of sexual acts portrayed in adult films produced for heterosexual and homosexual audiences to assess compliance with state Occupational Health and Safety Administration regulations.Methods. ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[seanzo]

I always see nude rubbers in porn. Is that just me?

If all you watch are pornos from back in the day. I've never seen them used in any of the new stuff that's come out in the past decade at a minimum

 

[Jenesis]

You seem to double back on your logic multiple times. You opened this thread complaining about some people's expectations of PSE then preach nobody offers it and then condemning those that do offer BBFS.

You only watch pornos with covered dicks - that is not easy to find but very telling in itself. All sex including that with your boyfriend is covered - because deep inside you don't trust him ?

My interpretations are personal and subject to ridicule but maybe you can help out clarifying how yours are different:

PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.

My interpretation of your offering closely aligns with my understanding of GFE - sex with an inherent distrust of your partner - paying or a boyfriend. In my perverse world, one of life's greatest pleasures is the close and unrestricted passion of BB sex with a loved one. The all encompassing warmth of her embrace, the feeling as you gaze into her eyes as you throb and cum in her welcoming pussy .... we are obviously incompatible.

So if PSE - my version of unrestricted sexual passion is not PSE - then tell me - what is unrestricted passion including BBFS called ?

I would not engage in PSE without a condom with an SP. That does not change my understanding of the meaning. I don't think my understanding is that different from many other men. The name is derived from porno films and in most - sex is totally uninhibited.

You are hanging your shingle for PSE services. The restriction are your choice but don't be surprised if people drawn to your promises are not aware of them. 'PSE - condoms only' is a more honest approach.

Wait.

I didn’t open this thread for one.

For two, I specifically said that it is being offered more by ladies right now. Which was my actual Opening post BTW.

For three, the difference of opinion on PSE is the full fluid exchange. I don’t agree. Partial as in CIM, yes but full as in BBFS, CIP as apart of the PSE escort expectation - No. My only issue with the definition is the BBFS part. I agreed with the rest. If PSE MUST include BBFS then that is news to me like I said, but I don’t think I’m dangling any carrot advertising PSE without doing BBFS. Which you even agree you won’t do so WTF???

Lastly - my choice to have protected sex with a BF is because of this job and knowledge of reality and my love for myself to honour my own health. Sure, call it a trust issue if you want to gaslight instead of except the reality we all know here, but I also did say and have said I won’t date anymore personally.

I stand by what I said. Your expectations and that of others thinking PSE means BBFS is outrageous. I’m allowed that opinion. Anything can go but the penetration is with a condom.

Hopefully you get it right this time instead putting words in my mouth. You accused me of opening this thread. I didn’t start it. Maybe don’t be so offended at the opinions of others and you won’t get so much shit mixed up.

Oh and the definition of passionate sex is just that. Passionate sex. You strung along a bunch of words together. That defines it It doesn’t need to make an automatic acronym.

 

[kherg007]

Some countries require condoms so those videos also show up.
The big time pros test a lot. But you never know.
This thread has been derailed a bit.
So, clients are reaching out claiming pse means bbfs. One bloke has his pse definition that includes it. Mine does not, neither have most of us heard that to be true in this industry. OK, no worries. Ladies themselves disagree on the parameters. Restaurants don't have standard definitions of large/medium small.
Suggestion to change the PSE label to clarify? Sure. But most ladies will say no bbfs in their ads.

No faster way to destroy this Industry than to allow trafficking, hard drug use, and bbfs.

 

[Jenesis]

If all you watch are pornos from back in the day. I've never seen them used in any of the new stuff that's come out in the past decade at a minimum

Maybe I just haven’t noticed the change over????? I don’t know. I mean they wear nude condoms and it is not like that is what I focus on. I’m also on record for being a gay porn watcher.

Thanks for politely clarifying for me.

 

[kherg007]

Maybe I just haven’t noticed the change over????? I don’t know. I mean they wear nude condoms and it is not like that is what I focus on. I’m also on record for being a gay porn watcher.

Thanks for politely clarifying for me.

Yes after AIDs etc in early 90s a lot of gay porn went to condoms. With PReP etc these days the gay community has drifted away from condoms, but of course prep does not prevent all the other wee beasties.
A mate of mine has a wife who only watches gay (men) porn. Love the lesbian porn myself. I even listen to the dialog in lesbian porn lol.

 

[DesRicardo]

No faster way to destroy this Industry than to allow trafficking, hard drug use, and bbfs.

That's been a staple of the industry for centuries.

 

[swai.nda90]

It is a premium service to offer. For example at asian incall agencies, almost every Japanese escort coming through had a "special service +200" advertised on the menu. That is 99% of the time referring to bbfs. So this may be a cultural thing.

 

[bummy41]

I post my ad .......So right now I canceled the PSE from my ad because it's cause misunderstanding. So guys what do you think about PSE service? What is included and what is not?

No. We should be safe and should not be included. PSE is like including cimsw etc. There is unsubstantiated misinformation making the lines blurred.. this recent trend has also coincided with increased immigration... maybe no correlation but I cannot ignore it

 

[Jenesis]

It is a premium service to offer. For example at asian incall agencies, almost every Japanese escort coming through had a "special service +200" advertised on the menu. That is 99% of the time referring to bbfs. So this may be a cultural thing.

But it doesn’t say PSE+200. It says some service?