Don’t stand corrected. You have how many people in this thread saying PSE does not mean BBFS and you have one guy coming in saying that it wrong. I would listen to the masses personally.
Since when the PSE included BBFS?
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Agreed. In 10 years, in many countries, PSE has never included bbfs. Ever.
As many of you noted, the issue is often definitions of pse, and how it varies from woman to woman. Some it means Greek. Others more the attitude of sex - hard aggressive VS soft and warm gfe. Like restaurants offering small, medium, and large. Not every large is the same size etc. There is no universal standard. But it's her choice how she defines it.
Somewhere underneath this entire discussion is an undertone of pissing on women's autonomy. The same way blokes feel if they've paid for the service they demand what they want without recognizing they're dealing with human beings. Thus they want to impose their definition then demand it.
Normally I wouldn't chime in on a thread like this, but my personal experience is that bbfs is far more common than anybody here would care to admit. During my active period seeing escorts in Toronto (roughly 08-15ish) it was a shockingly common offer, especially after seeing the same escort several times. The fact that it's more in the open now really doesn't surprise me all that much given the state of the country at the moment
No one is denying that BBFS is offered. And has not been offered more and more lately. I just wrote that it is being offered more by ladies simply because of the economic time. Girls are giving “specials” on regular rates for regular service and giving BBFS for the regular rate. That has been going on for a while and a lot more since COVID than pre-COVID.
That is not what we are talking about though. We are discussing if BBFS is included in the advertising of PSE services. There is a difference. These girls offering BBFS are not secretly doing through the acronym PSE. At least not to my understanding.
Offering and advertising are different. Girls I see openly advertising just use BB available.
And this stupid question from bbfs seekers always: "Do you have ANY restrictions? I'm very clean!" 
And that seconds I know, he's an other retarded. ( Or mentally challenged for the woke generation )
And that seconds I know, he's an other retarded. ( Or mentally challenged for the woke generation )
For those of us who aren't veterans of this scene, the confusion is easy to understand. How many porn stars do you see using condoms these days. I literally can't remember the last time I saw condoms being used. Combine that with widely varying definitions online of what does or does not constitute 'pse' and is it really such a surprise? Furthermore, my experience with these acronyms has varied widely from pse meaning everything covered to safe gfe meaning not so safe gfe. I've always been of the opinion that they are almost completely useless in gauging how your experience with a particular escort will pan out. Much like the reviews on this site
You seem to double back on your logic multiple times. You opened this thread complaining about some people's expectations of PSE then preach nobody offers it and then condemning those that do offer BBFS.
You only watch pornos with covered dicks - that is not easy to find but very telling in itself. All sex including that with your boyfriend is covered - because deep inside you don't trust him ?
My interpretations are personal and subject to ridicule but maybe you can help out clarifying how yours are different:
PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.
My interpretation of your offering closely aligns with my understanding of GFE - sex with an inherent distrust of your partner - paying or a boyfriend. In my perverse world, one of life's greatest pleasures is the close and unrestricted passion of BB sex with a loved one. The all encompassing warmth of her embrace, the feeling as you gaze into her eyes as you throb and cum in her welcoming pussy .... we are obviously incompatible.
So if PSE - my version of unrestricted sexual passion is not PSE - then tell me - what is unrestricted passion including BBFS called ?
I would not engage in PSE without a condom with an SP. That does not change my understanding of the meaning. I don't think my understanding is that different from many other men. The name is derived from porno films and in most - sex is totally uninhibited.
You are hanging your shingle for PSE services. The restriction are your choice but don't be surprised if people drawn to your promises are not aware of them. 'PSE - condoms only' is a more honest approach.
' Penile–vaginal intercourse was protected with condoms in 3% of heterosexual scenes. '
Just Googled and found this survey which also included homosexual porn. It did have vanal stats but I don't do anal so it is moot for me.
Condom Use and High-Risk Sexual Acts in Adult Films: A Comparison of Heterosexual and Homosexual Films - PMC
Objectives. We compared the prevalence of condom use during a variety of sexual acts portrayed in adult films produced for heterosexual and homosexual audiences to assess compliance with state Occupational Health and Safety Administration ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
If all you watch are pornos from back in the day. I've never seen them used in any of the new stuff that's come out in the past decade at a minimum
Wait.
I didn’t open this thread for one.
For two, I specifically said that it is being offered more by ladies right now. Which was my actual Opening post BTW.
For three, the difference of opinion on PSE is the full fluid exchange. I don’t agree. Partial as in CIM, yes but full as in BBFS, CIP as apart of the PSE escort expectation - No. My only issue with the definition is the BBFS part. I agreed with the rest. If PSE MUST include BBFS then that is news to me like I said, but I don’t think I’m dangling any carrot advertising PSE without doing BBFS. Which you even agree you won’t do so WTF???
Lastly - my choice to have protected sex with a BF is because of this job and knowledge of reality and my love for myself to honour my own health. Sure, call it a trust issue if you want to gaslight instead of except the reality we all know here, but I also did say and have said I won’t date anymore personally.
I stand by what I said. Your expectations and that of others thinking PSE means BBFS is outrageous. I’m allowed that opinion. Anything can go but the penetration is with a condom.
Hopefully you get it right this time instead putting words in my mouth. You accused me of opening this thread. I didn’t start it. Maybe don’t be so offended at the opinions of others and you won’t get so much shit mixed up.
Oh and the definition of passionate sex is just that. Passionate sex. You strung along a bunch of words together. That defines it It doesn’t need to make an automatic acronym.
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Some countries require condoms so those videos also show up.
The big time pros test a lot. But you never know.
This thread has been derailed a bit.
So, clients are reaching out claiming pse means bbfs. One bloke has his pse definition that includes it. Mine does not, neither have most of us heard that to be true in this industry. OK, no worries. Ladies themselves disagree on the parameters. Restaurants don't have standard definitions of large/medium small.
Suggestion to change the PSE label to clarify? Sure. But most ladies will say no bbfs in their ads.
No faster way to destroy this Industry than to allow trafficking, hard drug use, and bbfs.
The big time pros test a lot. But you never know.
This thread has been derailed a bit.
So, clients are reaching out claiming pse means bbfs. One bloke has his pse definition that includes it. Mine does not, neither have most of us heard that to be true in this industry. OK, no worries. Ladies themselves disagree on the parameters. Restaurants don't have standard definitions of large/medium small.
Suggestion to change the PSE label to clarify? Sure. But most ladies will say no bbfs in their ads.
No faster way to destroy this Industry than to allow trafficking, hard drug use, and bbfs.
Maybe I just haven’t noticed the change over????? I don’t know. I mean they wear nude condoms and it is not like that is what I focus on. I’m also on record for being a gay porn watcher.
Thanks for politely clarifying for me.
Yes after AIDs etc in early 90s a lot of gay porn went to condoms. With PReP etc these days the gay community has drifted away from condoms, but of course prep does not prevent all the other wee beasties.
A mate of mine has a wife who only watches gay (men) porn. Love the lesbian porn myself. I even listen to the dialog in lesbian porn lol.
No. We should be safe and should not be included. PSE is like including cimsw etc. There is unsubstantiated misinformation making the lines blurred.. this recent trend has also coincided with increased immigration... maybe no correlation but I cannot ignore it
At least one agency that advertises here uses the following in their service description for some ladies:
" Filming +200, Swallow +100, 30/45min RIM +50, 30min CIM +50, COF(LAST BOOKING ONLY) +100, Special Service +200. "
For a long time I wondered what "special service" meant. Someone was kind enough to PM me.
Maybe he was wrong or lying, and it's possible that I'm passing on false information, but it seems to be common knowledge what "special service" is.
