PSE has never meant BBFS, no matter what urban dictionary says. It is very concerning that more and more guys are seeking this service, and more and more girls are advertising. Same goes for PS (bare) that is increasingly sought after in the MP world. As a guy who was a young man when the HIV epidemic was raging, just before highly effective treatment became widely available it still shocks me that people seek these services when they engage in this hobby. Used to be BBFS could equal DWS (death wish service), but our collective memory of that time fades I guess, and “creampie” porn has fetishized it as well. We need to remember tho that while HIV is treatable, it’s still forever, and you are at risk unless you are on PREP. Still, number of other STIs are possible, rates of gonorrhea, syphillis and chlamydia are skyrocketing, and increasingly there are cases of highly drug resistant forms of these diseases.
Since when the PSE included BBFS?
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I have guys ask for BBFS CIP. Like first contact. I don’t know if they are trolls or serious. I never reply back but yeah - that is mind boggling to me if they are actually getting this service. Both for the guy and the girl.
'But it’s not an expectation any experienced hobbyist would have.' I wouldn't have even bothered to answer but the arrogance of this type of wording always drives me nuts. So you know it all - you have all the answers, gather at my feet my children because every pearl of wisdom from my lips is what the entire world agrees. I took a poll of every experienced hobbyist in every corner of the globe and without exception (what 'not any' means in English) nobody had an expectation that PSE includes BBFS - nobody.
I expect that anyone offering PSE - the same experience I view on porno films - to include the possibility of BBFS. Porno films are a fantasy and I won't watch safe sex pornos because that is not my fantasy. So my exception makes your statement moot. Also this thread wouldn't exist if other hobbyists concluded that PSE was essentially no holds barred sex.
I believe the correct answer is from MrGr33k 'Simply add: PSE - NO BBFS'
Would I want to indulge professional services offering PSE services ?? - only if I was wearing a condom. If it was with my girlfriend - PSE has no condom.
My personal interpretation of PSE vs GFE is as follows:
PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.
So Mr King, our paths are not that divergent - it is wording (something you would realize as an author) that separates us. Possibly my fixation on logic because of my early youth watching Spock on Star Trek or I'm nuts.
This is why I would be a horrible GF. I will never have bare sex. Even in my non-professional life.
I would never consider seeing a PSE add to think BBFS is included.
Oh yeah, you are not GF material. I would never expect BBFS from a provider but a GF would be a must!!! Poor future BF! LOL
Here is my take though, I know men step out. I know this first hand. Knowing this, it would be stupid of me to leave the responsibility of my health on him.
I’m not judging men who step out. And I do know there are a fair amount who don’t but not enough to convince me to leave my health in someone else’s hands.
There are plenty of other reasons too I am no longer on the dating market but I know this would be a big one for a guy yet it is just not something I will compromise on.
It's kind of crazy what some ladies are willing to offer these days. BBFS is not even the worst of it which is scary. I feel sad that ladies have to resort to offering services that not only put themselves in danger but their clients as well. All for a few extra bucks.
No one with common sense would accept urban dictionary as an authoratative resource. Maybe if its your first day on the internet.
Agree with this 100%.
If I recall correctly some of the confusion between GFE and PSE was because of porn (and on-line porn) where the majority of services were always bare. Then, when advertising ads started to appear saying "PSE services available" the implication was PSE=BBFS. I was shocked when I started seeing these types of ads even though that was the "hook" to draw in the clients but BBFS was not offered.
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It's the new "woke" era in the sw world. Let people have the sex they want because now with multiple prescriptions, you can avoid most of the consequences.
The only problem now is that we are not in a situation of "risk reduction" but more of "dammage control" because very few people possess that knowledge and still offers it. I feel that by normalizing bbfs we are not doing any service to the industry. It's actually quite the opposite because the knowledge is not where where it matters the most. Agencies, mp's and young sex workers do not have proper guidance.
Maybe it's because I'm a little bit more old school but it actually makes me as a client feel unsafe when a lady is offering things that in my opinion she should not be offering. I try not to be judgemental but sometimes I just can't help it. I mean when an escort is offering bbfs instead of the thought of that turning me on it has the opposite effect and I start to think she has no care for her body or the risks involved with something like that. I'm just getting old lol
I agree. You aren't getting old. Wait...I'm getting old too
I agree. It’s kinda like sw’s who offer party favours, car calls, etc. If you visit those sw’s your risk of being robbed, assaulted, etc goes up significantly.
I just arguing with a guy and he send me this link as an example:
And the whole net is full this false informationUrban Dictionary: PSE
An acronym meaning "Porn Star Experience" often used by escorts, providers, and other sex workers in their menus. PSE is used to imply or specify that a collection of specific acts are available with the given provider, and at a minimum means the acts that you see in a "typical" porn movie. This...www.urbandictionary.com
I stand corrected… and terrified. Had no idea how frequent this was. Even the open conversation about it is surprising.'But it’s not an expectation any experienced hobbyist would have.' I wouldn't have even bothered to answer but the arrogance of this type of wording always drives me nuts. So you know it all - you have all the answers, gather at my feet my children because every pearl of wisdom from my lips is what the entire world agrees. I took a poll of every experienced hobbyist in every corner of the globe and without exception (what 'not any' means in English) nobody had an expectation that PSE includes BBFS - nobody.
I expect that anyone offering PSE - the same experience I view on porno films - to include the possibility of BBFS. Porno films are a fantasy and I won't watch safe sex pornos because that is not my fantasy. So my exception makes your statement moot. Also this thread wouldn't exist if other hobbyists concluded that PSE was essentially no holds barred sex.
I believe the correct answer is from MrGr33k 'Simply add: PSE - NO BBFS'
Would I want to indulge professional services offering PSE services ?? - only if I was wearing a condom. If it was with my girlfriend - PSE has no condom.
My personal interpretation of PSE vs GFE is as follows:
PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.
So Mr King, our paths are not that divergent - it is wording (something you would realize as an author) that separates us. Possibly my fixation on logic because of my early youth watching Spock on Star Trek or I'm nuts.
Hoping the agencies I frequent have less BBFS clients, but perhaps not.
Your definitions and expectations are wild. And in the 10 years I have been around and in the 30 years old long careeer of some escorts I know, PSE NEVER included BBFS. From all the hobbyist I know who have had 30/40/50 years in this hobby have never expected BBFS as apart of PSE. The fact that we have to say no BBFS now is appalling in my opinion.'But it’s not an expectation any experienced hobbyist would have.' I wouldn't have even bothered to answer but the arrogance of this type of wording always drives me nuts. So you know it all - you have all the answers, gather at my feet my children because every pearl of wisdom from my lips is what the entire world agrees. I took a poll of every experienced hobbyist in every corner of the globe and without exception (what 'not any' means in English) nobody had an expectation that PSE includes BBFS - nobody.
I expect that anyone offering PSE - the same experience I view on porno films - to include the possibility of BBFS. Porno films are a fantasy and I won't watch safe sex pornos because that is not my fantasy. So my exception makes your statement moot. Also this thread wouldn't exist if other hobbyists concluded that PSE was essentially no holds barred sex.
I believe the correct answer is from MrGr33k 'Simply add: PSE - NO BBFS'
Would I want to indulge professional services offering PSE services ?? - only if I was wearing a condom. If it was with my girlfriend - PSE has no condom.
My personal interpretation of PSE vs GFE is as follows:
PSE - Everything goes. Full fluid exchange in any sex position imaginable (because of my orientation -M/F only). It is a sexual encounter between two trusting partners.
GFE - is a cautious sexual encounter between two individuals learning to trust each other. Condoms are not off the table and not an unusual expectation.
So Mr King, our paths are not that divergent - it is wording (something you would realize as an author) that separates us. Possibly my fixation on logic because of my early youth watching Spock on Star Trek or I'm nuts.
PSE is porn stuff like FF, DT, Greek, etc but not full fluid exchange. That is fucked beyond measure. hell, the porn I watch is all covered intercourse with nude colour rubbers.
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No, no, its me getting old...I agree. You aren't getting old. Wait...I'm getting old too
