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I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.
This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.
 

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I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.
Be it in sports, politics or other social courts of public opinions, there’s a “monkey see, monkey do” tendency where some attention hungered individuals in the media would make up some baseless accusations against the target, others would blindly follow and repeat the same nonsense in their circles; sooner it would become phantom truth in their minds. They become the prosecutor, jurors and judge and the accused would have no chance to defend. Even many well educated people fall into the same trap and do not know how to apply critical thinking.
 
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Not everyone hated Nylander's contract when he signed. I certainly didn't. Only those who didn't understand the difference between a 1 year contract and a longer term contract. Or the difference between when a contract was signed. Or the concept of cap going up and inflation.

Marner didn't hold out but that's only because Leafs overpaid !!! There was no reason for him to hold out. You think 11 million wasn't enough when he signed. Even at the end of Marner's contract the salary still seems high.

It'll be easier for the masses to bash Nylander next year when he starts earning 11.5 mill since even at under 7 mill there is so much hate already.

Leafs masses were shouting "we want Florida" so is there any surprise ...
 
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Be it in sports, politics or other social courts of public opinions, there’s a “monkey see, monkey do” tendency where some attention hungered individuals in the media would make up some baseless accusations against the target, others would blindly follow and repeat the same nonsense in their circles; sooner it would become phantom truth in their minds. They become the prosecutor, jurors and judge and the accused would have no chance to defend. Even many well educated people fall into the same trap and do not know how to apply critical thinking.
And many of them have a youtube channel voicing their ignorant opinions.
 

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This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.
I wasn't but you act like Nylander is a playoff stud based on a handful of games. Marner has had games like his in his first few playoff appearances. The team didn't advance. That's not the fault of just one player.
 

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shack said:
This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.

I wasn't but you act like Nylander
Wow he scored 3 goals in a 4 game span and you act like he's Wayne Gretzky.
Clearly you did accuse others of comparing Nylander to Gretzky. How can you possibly deny it? It's in black and white. Once again, try to embrace reality for the sake of your own credibility.
 

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I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.
Hey, I was one of them! Then one day something seemed to click and Willy was able to elevate his game.
I was hoping that Marner would eventually become a grittier player, difficult to knock off the puck, nastier without taking stupid penalties.
He is a great talent, but in tight spaces he isn’t and he isn’t vicious enough to play in the post season war.
 
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Hey, I was one of them! Then one day something seemed to click and Willy was able to elevate his game.
I was hoping that Marner would eventually become a grittier player, difficult to knock off the puck, nastier without taking stupid penalties.
He is a great talent, but in tight spaces he isn’t and he isn’t vicious enough to play in the post season war.
Do you want a player of his size getting injured banging against bigger more physical players.
 

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Hyman in the Finals
14 goals in 18 games
cap hit 5.5 mill
He was the ideal forecheck, board guy and net front for Matthews.
Leafs are still searching. Bert was the latest iteration.
Some even thought Bunting was the guy ... not even close.
 

oral.com

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Hyman in the Finals
14 goals in 18 games
cap hit 5.5 mill
He was the ideal forecheck, board guy and net front for Matthews.
Leafs are still searching. Bert was the latest iteration.
Some even thought Bunting was the guy ... not even close.
ZH hates Dubas, he didn’t even try to resign him. Hyman wanted to stay in Toronto too.
 
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Thought I'd check out past playoff performances and Gilmour for the Leafs had 35 points in 93, coincidentally his jersey number. Only 4 players have bested 35 points and they are Gretzky, Lemieux, Coffey, Malkin. McDavid this season has 31 and counting but they are playing the defensive juggernaught Panthers in the Finals. Gilmour did it in 21 games. McD has played 18 and at least 4 more. Gilmour also scored 10 goals. McD currently has 5. The all time assist record is 31 by Gretzky. McD has 26 and counting. Lemieux's best is 28. Kucherov 27. Gilmour in 93 had 25 assists.
 
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Thought I'd check out past playoff performances and Gilmour for the Leafs had 35 points in 93, coincidentally his jersey number. Only 4 players have bested 35 points and they are Gretzky, Lemieux, Coffey, Malkin. McDavid this season has 31 and counting but they are playing the defensive juggernaught Panthers in the Finals. Gilmour did it in 21 games. McD has played 18 and at least 4 more. Gilmour also scored 10 goals. McD currently has 5. The all time assist record is 31 by Gretzky. McD has 26 and counting. Lemieux's best is 28. Kucherov 27 and that's it.
Gilmour did it in only 3 rounds. I would bet the others did it in 4 rounds.
 
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