Leafs 2023-2024 Thread
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Marner's a playoff disaster. I hope the Leafs can rid of Marner this summer!!!
Plenty already do since the beginning to time.
Weren't you the one who commented Nylander didn't score enough in these playoffs?
Ok so you're comparing Nylander who scored 3 goals in 4 games to Marner who scored 1 goal in 7 (none in game 6 or 7) and justifying by this comparison that they are both on par. If anything you should have picked Matthews or better yet Tavares to make Marner look better. They both also scored 1 goal but no for some unexplicable reason you chose Nylander to try to boost up Marner. The only conclusion I could see was another failed attempt to bash Nylander.
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career playoff stats. Marner is better and plays defence and is on the PK.
That's a different point. The point you made was specifically pertaining to the performance of Marner and Nylander in the 7 game playoff series vs Boston in 2024. Quite frankly you have deep rooted hate for Nylander that you may not even be aware of or in denial.
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The hate on Marner reminds me of similar situation back in the nineties, Larry Murphy was the scapegoat for repeated Leafs failures and was repeatedly booed off the ice. Fans wanted to trade him even if their mistresses had to be included, just as badly as fans now want to trade Marner. Murphy was traded to Detroit and helped them to win a couple of cups. He’s one of very few players to have won two cups with two different teams.
Only in Toronto do they boo talent yet praise goonery. I recall the hate Sundin got for turning down a trade to Montreal when the package was Chris Higgins and a late first round pick. Yet crickets when McCabe and Tucker refused to waive their NTC and had to be bought out. let's not forget Tie Domi's shenanigans to get resigned when JFJ didn't want him back.
Great memories. I'm sure if Willy and Eminem dropped their gloves just once Leafs fans would want a holiday named after them .
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Nylander's game has matured significantly over the years. He has also grown stronger and uses that strength. Nylander used to be the whipping boy. He is now appreciated.
Marner doesn't skate as hard as he used to, doesn't play as well defensively as he used to, had zero physical presence and still has zero physical presence and seems to be petulant and is content to coast along. His game has regressed over the years. He has not matured. He used to be appreciated and he is now the whipping boy.
You are entitled to your opinion, but if you take an objective look around you, you will notice that your opinion is of the minority. Just saying.
A lot of people suspect Vegas will ...
A lot of people also suspect Marner will not be traded since he has a no move.
If Leafs wanted to trade Marner they should have done it before his no move kicked in.
They had that window but Shanahan instead turfed Dubas nullifying that window.
Why would Marner not play out the season and take the best bid when it's all said and done as a UFA open to every team.
Or use the highest bid as leverage on the Leafs. Leafs also have the best goal scorer in the entire league.
The best opportunity of any team to pump up his stats. Leafs after all were the second highest scoring team in the regular season. Second only to Colorado who had 1 goal more.
A lot of people also suspect Marner will not be traded since he has a no move.
If Leafs wanted to trade Marner they should have done it before his no move kicked in.
They had that window but Shanahan instead turfed Dubas nullifying that window.
Why would Marner not play out the season and take the best bid when it's all said and done as a UFA open to every team.
Or use the highest bid as leverage on the Leafs. Leafs also have the best goal scorer in the entire league.
The best opportunity of any team to pump up his stats. Leafs after all were the second highest scoring team in the regular season. Second only to Colorado who had 1 goal more.
Contractually, you are correct. But Marner is human, with emotions.
He is not very popular right now around here. The majority of fans want him gone. What if he blocks a trade that the fans feel would improve the team? There will be backlash. What is it going to feel like when he and the wife go out grocery shopping or a movie or restaurant and they hear some catcalls or rude comments. What's it going to feel like when he gets booed on the ice, something he's never experienced before. It's close to home, but it may no longer be a friendly place to play. He has emotions. He may beg to get out of town.
Plenty of fans also hated Nylander and probably still do waiting for their opportunity to pounce even when there is no justification for it like critisizing his playoff perfomances past and even present.
Plenty of fans also wanted Florida thinking it'll be a walk in the park.
Quite frankly I think the hate for Marner is overblown. Blaming Marner for the OT goal was utterly rediculous. That tells me all I need to know. The winger doesn't chase down low on a dump in. It's always the goalie to retrieve it if he can or the D. The winger stays high to cover the D and be in position if the goalie shoots it up the boards. Marner was in position to cover the direct pass to Pasta. He was in the right position. He wasn't there to shadow Pasta wherever he goes. Some were even critizing Nylander on that play. That was even more rediculous. That was for Sammy to do the poke check before Pasta could get to it or Rielly to make a better turn but we all know Rielly can't make good turns hence why he gives up the blue line easy and often.
Plenty of fans also wanted Florida thinking it'll be a walk in the park.
Quite frankly I think the hate for Marner is overblown. Blaming Marner for the OT goal was utterly rediculous. That tells me all I need to know. The winger doesn't chase down low on a dump in. It's always the goalie to retrieve it if he can or the D. The winger stays high to cover the D and be in position if the goalie shoots it up the boards. Marner was in position to cover the direct pass to Pasta. He was in the right position. He wasn't there to shadow Pasta wherever he goes. Some were even critizing Nylander on that play. That was even more rediculous. That was for Sammy to do the poke check before Pasta could get to it or Rielly to make a better turn but we all know Rielly can't make good turns hence why he gives up the blue line easy and often.
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Florida in 2022 won the Presidents Trophy and scored a whopping 340 goals. Tops in the league. They also had a +94 goal differential. Also tops. So they were already an exceptionally good high scoring team. What they did was build themselves up to be an exceptionally good defensive team without sacrificing much of the offense. Leafs were 3rd in goals with 315 and +62. Colorado who won the cup that year was 4th with 312 goals and +78.
In my estimation Tavares is more the problem than Marner. Taking salaries into consideration. Marner has played well in past playoffs. As Florida has shown they can stop Panarin who is very much like Marner size wise. Florida in 2 games has shown they can stop Draisatl and Hyman and to a certain extent even McD.
The Leafs will build up their D and goaltending under Treliving. That's a given. In the playoffs a team needs everything. Both offense and defense and that includes goaltending. The Leafs the last 3 games vs Boston changed their style of play. That's the way they need to play in the playoffs. They'll also need to get their PP working in the playoffs to be the difference maker.
In my estimation Tavares is more the problem than Marner. Taking salaries into consideration. Marner has played well in past playoffs. As Florida has shown they can stop Panarin who is very much like Marner size wise. Florida in 2 games has shown they can stop Draisatl and Hyman and to a certain extent even McD.
The Leafs will build up their D and goaltending under Treliving. That's a given. In the playoffs a team needs everything. Both offense and defense and that includes goaltending. The Leafs the last 3 games vs Boston changed their style of play. That's the way they need to play in the playoffs. They'll also need to get their PP working in the playoffs to be the difference maker.
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