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Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says goal of Israeli offensive is the ‘elimination’ of Gaza.

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xmontrealer said:
As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
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Hamas' two state solution is the nihilation of Israel..Israel has to finish this at this time. They're too far in to pull back.

There are no innocents in Gaza. They're all Hamas ideologues. Hamas sacrificed them long ago.
 
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xmontrealer said:
As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
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The next step imo is to set up a new border somewhere down the middle of Gaza city. Or maybe even all of it. Clear the rubble and eventually move settlers in. Get the gas platforms up to help pay for things.

At some point the Palestinians will do something stupid in the future and the whole thing will start again. Probable sooner if the Saudi/Israeli peace deal gets back on track. Its just going to take time to see it through.
 
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Leimonis said:
Hostages should have been written off as sunk costs long time ago.
as to two state solution - how can israel allow their state to import weapons? With the current level of Pali radicalization this would be pure insanity and suicide. Nobody likes the status quo but israel has no permanent solutions at this point and not for the lack of thinking about it.
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Two state solution isn't happening. They can pull back now to Gaza city and reset the border while continuing to work on the West Bank and get the gas platforms built. All Hamas will have is small arms, which can easily be defeated with a new wall up. All their infrastructure is toast.
 
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Leimonis said:
Hostages should have been written off as sunk costs long time ago.
as to two state solution - how can israel allow their state to import weapons? With the current level of Pali radicalization this would be pure insanity and suicide. Nobody likes the status quo but israel has no permanent solutions at this point and not for the lack of thinking about it.
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Brainwashing blocks basic insights
 
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xmontrealer said:
As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
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Kautilya said:
No that headline was inaccurate. I clarified it earlier. The latest report demarcates reported vs identified deaths. The Gaza Health Ministry considers data incomplete if ID information is unavailable or the person is too mutilated to identify. Because people want to push a narrative they forget how to read data.
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When it reaches 300k deaths i will agree it is a genocide lol...
 
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Kautilya said:
Forget 300K or 35K, you don't even need 100 deaths for it to be genocide. It could technically just be 10 people dead. But it is INTENT that is important, per the definition of genocide as laid out by the genocide convention. If you INTEND to and have explicitly displayed said INTENT to destroy members of a specific group, then it is genocide. Israel's politicians have explicitly displayed plenty of genocidal intent. What Oracle said above - "There are no innocents in Gaza" is not just rhetoric or colloquialism. It is actually a war crime to not differentiate combatants from civilians, and given Israeli politicians have used the exact same sentence (amongst many), displays intent to commit genocide, which sufficiently proves its existence. This is what the UN special report and the ICJ verdict lays out as well.
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Israel has dropped over 100 000 tons of bombs already and only 35k deaths (Hamas reported), with militants among those killed, Israel must have really bad aim if their intent was genocide
 
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