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Frankfooter

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But we have different definitions of genocide. Yours is influenced by your hate of Israel and all Jews, the same as your bastardized definition of "apartheid".
Yes, I use the same one the UN and ICJ are using in their reports and ongoing cases dealing with Israeli genocide.
You think that doesn't apply to zionists for some reason.


The committed relationship of a husband and wife can only be compared to Hamas and the Gazans. They are intimately connected and have agreed to live together, blissfully and help each grow together and prosper. But Hamas abuses the Gazans.

Israel is nothing more than the neighbour next door separated by a fence, which Hamas continues to disrespect. Israel has to take action to have that boundary respected. Hamas is causing the suffering that the Gazans have to endure. They keep cheating on their wife by spending too much time at the neighbour's place and trying to fuck them.

Thanks for providing that very appropriate analogy of a husband and wife even though you didn't use it properly.
Israel are the neighbours who broke into your house, forced you to live in the basement for 16 years, then when you tried to break out they decided to kill you, your family and everyone you know.

That's nothing more than your biased opinion.

Regardless of who has perpetrated more evil in this current conflict that began Oct.7, Hamas set this all in motion. If they got more than they bargained for, that's on them.
Only Israel is being charged with genocide.
You cannot be any more evil than committing genocide, that's the most evil act humans can do to other humans.
And here you are cheering it on.

Nothing Hamas has done is anywhere near as evil as what Israel is doing today.
 

Klatuu

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No, they will not.

S. Africa was not a strategic and vital regional ally to the U.S., nor to any world power. There was no downside to boycotting SA.

Israel has played their hand very well. In the last 75 years of this land being granted to them by the UN they developed an ultra-scientific, western style democratic society in a region where no such other entity exists.
Florid fantasy
 

shack

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No, Israel develops weapons to destroy democracies and kill people all around the world.
Advanced science and a democratic society where there is no other, has served Israel well.
That's all they are good for.
Even if you were correct, which you are not, it's enough for the US and the rest of the Western democracies to support Israel's efforts. That's the bottom line.
 

Frankfooter

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Advanced science and a democratic society where there is no other, has served Israel well.
Israel is not a democracy, its an apartheid state.

Even if you were correct, which you are not, it's enough for the US and the rest of the Western democracies to support Israel's efforts. That's the bottom line.
No, supporting Israel has meant a rise of hate crimes in North America, regional wars almost starting in Lebanon and Iran and the entire world turning against the US and those who back Isarel.



 

xmontrealer

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Gee, I wonder if Israel would agree to a "permanent" ceasefire if Hamas did actually offer to release all of the hostages, in exchange for a reasonable number of Gazan "detainees".

That, of course, is assuming that most of the remaining Israeli hostages are still alive.

It is hard for me to understand why Hamas is not offering a deal of that nature. I don't understand what advantage holding the hostages is currently doing for Hamas and Gaza in general.

I do believe that Israel would agree at this point. (Not that I believe Hamas would adhere to the ceasefire over the medium to long term...)

If all the hostages were released I don't think Netanyahu would have any further support for continued hostilities in Gaza, both in Israel and from the West.
 

Klatuu

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Gee, I wonder if Israel would agree to a "permanent" ceasefire if Hamas did actually offer to release all of the hostages, in exchange for a reasonable number of Gazan "detainees".

That, of course, is assuming that most of the remaining Israeli hostages are still alive.

It is hard for me to understand why Hamas is not offering a deal of that nature. I don't understand what advantage holding the hostages is currently doing for Hamas and Gaza in general.

I do believe that Israel would agree at this point. (Not that I believe Hamas would adhere to the ceasefire over the medium to long term...)
Brainwashed racism.
 

Leimonis

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Gee, I wonder if Israel would agree to a "permanent" ceasefire if Hamas did actually offer to release all of the hostages, in exchange for a reasonable number of Gazan "detainees".

That, of course, is assuming that most of the remaining Israeli hostages are still alive.

It is hard for me to understand why Hamas is not offering a deal of that nature. I don't understand what advantage holding the hostages is currently doing for Hamas and Gaza in general.

I do believe that Israel would agree at this point. (Not that I believe Hamas would adhere to the ceasefire over the medium to long term...)

If all the hostages were released I don't think Netanyahu would have any further support for continued hostilities in Gaza, both in Israel and from the West.
Why would hamas let the hostages go when the current situation is developing in their favour and they are sitting back and enjoying it?
 

xmontrealer

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Why would hamas let the hostages go when the current situation is developing in their favour and they are sitting back and enjoying it?
If what is happening in Gaza looks like "winning", I'd hate to see what "losing" looks like.

Also, we Jews are very used to anti-Semitism. So some non-Jews hate us even more. Who cares...

And the U.S. will never give up the political necessity of having Israel exist in the Middle-East, for a great many reasons.
 

Klatuu

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If what is happening in Gaza looks like "winning", I'd hate to see what "losing" looks like.

Also, we Jews are very used to anti-Semitism. So some non-Jews hate us even more. Who cares...

And the U.S. will never give up the political necessity of having Israel exist in the Middle-East, for a great many reasons.
Racist and delusional. Extremely naive.
 
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Climbing the Hamas ladder: IDF kills senior terrorist official in southern Gaza Strip (msn.com)

Akram was a senior official involved in numerous terror attacks
Akram was responsible for planning and executing multiple terror attacks in Israeli territory, as well as directing Hamas activities in the Gaza Strip aimed at harming IDF soldiers during the ground operation.

This announcement comes following the unconfirmed Israeli strike on senior Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps official, Mohammad Reza Zahedi in Damascus earlier this week.

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Frankfooter

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Gee, I wonder if Israel would agree to a "permanent" ceasefire if Hamas did actually offer to release all of the hostages, in exchange for a reasonable number of Gazan "detainees".

That, of course, is assuming that most of the remaining Israeli hostages are still alive.

It is hard for me to understand why Hamas is not offering a deal of that nature. I don't understand what advantage holding the hostages is currently doing for Hamas and Gaza in general.

I do believe that Israel would agree at this point. (Not that I believe Hamas would adhere to the ceasefire over the medium to long term...)

If all the hostages were released I don't think Netanyahu would have any further support for continued hostilities in Gaza, both in Israel and from the West.
Hamas has been offering that deal for 6 months now.
Ceasefire, return all hostages on both sides and Israel retreat from Gaza.

Its Netanyahu who has declared that he wants to 'finish the job' and kill all of Hamas regardless.
Now its been released that they are using AI to target every male of fighting age in Gaza.
 
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