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Israel at war

Frankfooter

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The GMO has always reported the dead counted at hospitals and the reported deaths separately. The UN decided to publish those numbers differently, that's the only difference.

35,000 dead (24,000 identified)
plus 10,000 more buried in rubble and likely dead

The total is 45,000 dead, still with 70% women and children. So its likely now 30,000+ dead women and children if you count those buried in rubble.

 
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shack

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It is a statement of fact that the Gaza ministry of health's numbers is within 2 to 4% of UN numbers in past conflicts.
I educated you why that is. The UN just took the Gazan/Hamas numbers at face value without any attempt at verification.

“The UN’s method of reporting deaths in Gaza is the complete opposite of what they do in other conflict situations,” Neuer said, pointing to the UN’s recent efforts in Ukraine where it has established “a defined methodology using individual records of civilian harm, where a standard of proof was met, namely, reasonable grounds to believe that the harm took place.”

“But when Israel can be blamed, it’s the complete opposite. For reporting Gaza deaths, there is no method, and no standard of proof. All the UN does is parrot figures supplied by Hamas, which is laundered and legitimized by the UN as the neutral-sounding ‘Gaza Ministry of Health,’ or ‘Government Media Office,’ when in fact both are run by the Hamas terrorist organization.”


You made the comment to me way earlier, that Palestine was not recognized as a sovereign state because it was not a full member
Your causality is backward. Palestine is not sovereign state because of any UN policy. It is because Palestine is not a sovereign state that they are not recognized by the UN. The reason that they are not a sovereign state is because they rejected the land given to them during partition.

This all goes to your lack of reading comprehension.

As for this resolution not accomplishing anything, that is false. It provides Palestine with expanded rights that it did not have before. You are free to go read it on wikipedia where they list it, point by point.
Call it a Pyrrhic accomplishment because in reality it does nothing to forward their cause. Their status has not changed. Being an observer state is still being an observer state.

Also as I said multiple times before, no UNGA or UNSC resolutions are required to be adopted for Israels actions to be considered genocide. For one, the Armenian Genocide does not have a corresponding UN resolution even though it is recognized by several countries, along with UN special reports that call it genocide. Similarly, several countries today call Israel's actions in Gaza a genocide, along with the ICJ verdict and the UN Special Report. This proves Israel's actions in Gaza amount to genocide and meets the minimum criteria set forth by the genocide convention.
Say it as often as you like. All it proves is that you are depleting the world's supply of pretzels.

Resolutions, like #1761 in 1962 are necessary and routinely PASSED when the UN wishes to express their opinions.

From the UN website:

UN resolutions
Resolutions are formal expressions of the opinion or will of UN organs.
 
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Klatuu

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I educated you why that is. The UN just took the Gazan/Hamas numbers at face value without any attempt at verification.

“The UN’s method of reporting deaths in Gaza is the complete opposite of what they do in other conflict situations,” Neuer said, pointing to the UN’s recent efforts in Ukraine where it has established “a defined methodology using individual records of civilian harm, where a standard of proof was met, namely, reasonable grounds to believe that the harm took place.”

“But when Israel can be blamed, it’s the complete opposite. For reporting Gaza deaths, there is no method, and no standard of proof. All the UN does is parrot figures supplied by Hamas, which is laundered and legitimized by the UN as the neutral-sounding ‘Gaza Ministry of Health,’ or ‘Government Media Office,’ when in fact both are run by the Hamas terrorist organization.”


Your causality is backward. Palestine is not sovereign state because of any UN policy. It is because Palestine is not a sovereign state that they are not recognized by the UN. The reason that they are not a sovereign state is because they rejected the land given to them during partition.

This all goes to your lack of reading comprehension.

Call it a Pyrrhic accomplishment because in reality it does nothing to forward their cause. Their status has not changed. Being an observer state is still being an observer state.

Say it as often as you like. All it proves is that you are depleting the world's supply of pretzels.

Resolutions, like #1761 in 1962 are necessary and routinely PASSED when the UN wishes to express their opinions.

From the UN website:

UN resolutions
But, it doesn’t say they are the only formal expression. You just hung yourself.
 

Frankfooter

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“But when Israel can be blamed, it’s the complete opposite. For reporting Gaza deaths, there is no method, and no standard of proof. All the UN does is parrot figures supplied by Hamas, which is laundered and legitimized by the UN as the neutral-sounding ‘Gaza Ministry of Health,’ or ‘Government Media Office,’ when in fact both are run by the Hamas terrorist organization.”
Easy fix, hammy.

Israel should let the WHO, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem in along with teams of international journalists to investigate and count the dead.
They should be sent in with teams of construction crews and cranes to dig through the rubble and count the remains and give them decent burials.

45,000 dead so far.
80,000 more injured
1 million more near starvation

That's genocide, hammy.

 

richaceg

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Easy fix, hammy.

Israel should let the WHO, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem in along with teams of international journalists to investigate and count the dead.
They should be sent in with teams of construction crews and cranes to dig through the rubble and count the remains and give them decent burials.

45,000 dead so far.
80,000 more injured
1 million more near starvation

That's genocide, hammy.

Maybe Hamas should release the hostages at this point....Hamas is killing too many palestinians now...genocidal maniacs that they are...
 
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