Israel at war

Frankfooter

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Didn't happen, the UN just separated counted from reported deaths.
The numbers are the same.
24,000 counted
10,000 reported dead but not brought into hospitals
10,000 more buried in rubble and likely dead.

45,000 total now dead

no wonder zionists are so popular now
 

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But, it doesn’t say they are the only formal expression.
Correct. Sometimes the Secretary General farts to express that he needs to make a bowel movement.

Resolution number 1761 in 1962 regarding S. African apartheid as voted on and passed by the UNGA.

Resolution number 000000000 as voted on and passed by the UNGA a week or so ago.
 

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Correct. Sometimes the Secretary General farts to express that he needs to make a bowel movement.

Resolution number 1761 in 1962 regarding S. African apartheid as voted on and passed by the UNGA.

Resolution number 000000000 as voted on and passed by the UNGA a week or so ago.
Deflection
 
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shack

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Easy fix, hammy.

Israel should let the WHO, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem in along with teams of international journalists to investigate and count the dead.
They should be sent in with teams of construction crews and cranes to dig through the rubble and count the remains and give them decent burials.
Why should they? They already have the UN's opinion the no genocide has been committed. Remember Geno, it was YOU, who yelled loud and clear that we must follow the opinion of the UN. Have you changed your mind on that? Kautilya pretzels and you waffle. That's a lot of carbs. How much do you weigh?

45,000 dead so far.
80,000 more injured
1 million more near starvation

That's genocide, hammy.
Those numbers have been debunked. Let me know when you want a debate based on facts. I won't debate you when you use falsehoods as the base of your argument.
 

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UN Resolutions are irrelevant.
Only because you don't have one regarding genocide or apartheid as it relates to the conflict that started Oct. 7. You do that so often and so predictably when you are losing a debate, that that tactic and your ability to debate are irrelevant. If there was a resolution saying that, you'd be shoving it down my throat, wouldn't you? Or are you claiming that you wouldn't use it as evidence.
 

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Why should they? They already have the UN's opinion the no genocide has been committed. Remember Geno, it was YOU, who yelled loud and clear that we must follow the opinion of the UN. Have you changed your mind on that? Kautilya pretzels and you waffle. That's a lot of carbs. How much do you weigh?
You, like Israel, are totally afraid of the international media and human rights community reporting on what is happening in Gaza.
No wonder Israel has killed over 100 journalists and almost 200 UN workers.


Those numbers have been debunked. Let me know when you want a debate based on facts. I won't debate you when you use falsehoods as the base of your argument.
No hammy, the numbers are the same and the numbers are low, if anything.
 

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As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
 

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As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
Yes, it really has to stop.
 

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As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
Hostages should have been written off as sunk costs long time ago.
as to two state solution - how can israel allow their state to import weapons? With the current level of Pali radicalization this would be pure insanity and suicide. Nobody likes the status quo but israel has no permanent solutions at this point and not for the lack of thinking about it.
 
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As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
Hamas' two state solution is the nihilation of Israel..Israel has to finish this at this time. They're too far in to pull back.

There are no innocents in Gaza. They're all Hamas ideologues. Hamas sacrificed them long ago.
 

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As much as I hate to say this, I think Israel has to find an acceptable way to stop the war, even if they don't get all the hostages back. It's not worth saving the few hostages that are still alive at the cost of further Israeli military deaths and more Gazan innocents suffering. As far as Hamas deaths I couldn't care less, but the costs to eliminate them going forward, if at all possible, is just too high.

I heard on the news tonight that Hamas is moving back up to Northern Gaza and re-arming.

Israel is losing the PR war, and even the empathy and support of the USA, it's only true ally.

The non-Jewish world seems to have long forgotten what happened on Oct. 7th.

Israel is fighting a "whack-a-mole" war where every time they think they have Hamas contained, Hamas pops up again somewhere else.

There has to be some kind of 2-state solution that can be negotiated that can protect Israel against further Hamas violence and Oct. 7ths...not that I have a clue how that would work.
The next step imo is to set up a new border somewhere down the middle of Gaza city. Or maybe even all of it. Clear the rubble and eventually move settlers in. Get the gas platforms up to help pay for things.

At some point the Palestinians will do something stupid in the future and the whole thing will start again. Probable sooner if the Saudi/Israeli peace deal gets back on track. Its just going to take time to see it through.
 

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Hostages should have been written off as sunk costs long time ago.
as to two state solution - how can israel allow their state to import weapons? With the current level of Pali radicalization this would be pure insanity and suicide. Nobody likes the status quo but israel has no permanent solutions at this point and not for the lack of thinking about it.
Two state solution isn't happening. They can pull back now to Gaza city and reset the border while continuing to work on the West Bank and get the gas platforms built. All Hamas will have is small arms, which can easily be defeated with a new wall up. All their infrastructure is toast.
 
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