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Frankfooter

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That's strange because the entirety of what you typed was this:
I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.
I don't see what you claim. For sure, though, I see that you called Palestinians "lesser humans". You keep referring to genocide, so there's denying that's who you meant.
Do you think the zionists who call themselves the 'chosen people' think that slaughtering the Palestinians they refuse basic human rights to think they are on a path to righteousness, hammy? Under Israeli apartheid, Palestinians have zero human rights, do you think that makes them legally 'lesser humans' than Israeli Jews?

Do you support keeping Palestinians legally as 'lesser humans' on your own path to righteousness on this board?
Is that why you keep arguing they are not part of the 'civilized world'?

Will you stand by me and categorically state Palestinians are full humans who deserve all basic human rights, including the right to self defence and the Universal Right of Return? Or are you still here arguing they don't deserve the same right as all other humans?

The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
 
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True. It should atleast start there and they could may be get Israel to surrender Area C. But I think a Bantustan is better than Israeli oppression and governance. I think benefits such as freedom of movement, freedom to elect their own leaders freedom to conduct their own business etc., is more important right now.
How is that any different from Oct 6?
 
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Western countries shut down opponents' media outlets in times of war. Churchill shut down Nazi propagandists in Britain in WW2. Ukraine shuts down pro Kremlin outlets.

This is standard.
Israel is not at war with Qatar. But, go ahead, run with your insipid fealty to the terrified ethno supremacist Israel. It needs your apparent willingness to dumb down at a moment’s notice.
 

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In terms of land? No different. In terms of freedom they'd have their own state and not be governed by the Israelis. Which is more important? I think the focus needs to shift at some point to liberating the people than liberating the land. The land can be negotiated for after the people are free. IMO.
How would they have more freedom?

Israelis would still control the borders, walls and access.
They'd have the same amount of freedom within those walls but even less outside if they are foreigners.

B'tselem has detailed reports on the present apartheid wall (ordered torn down by the ICJ) and control of movement.

The ceasefire talks are on hold.
Hamas will only agree to a ceasefire to end the violence and Israel only wants a 40 day window to return hostages.

 
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Once a free state is established the Palestinians would control their borders. That's the point of a free state. There are many landlocked countries.
The borders of the bantustans?
I'm curious how you think that would work or be different.



 
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Do you think the zionists who call themselves the 'chosen people' think that slaughtering the Palestinians they refuse basic human rights to think they are on a path to righteousness, hammy? Under Israeli apartheid, Palestinians have zero human rights, do you think that makes them legally 'lesser humans' than Israeli Jews?

Do you support keeping Palestinians legally as 'lesser humans' on your own path to righteousness on this board?
Is that why you keep arguing they are not part of the 'civilized world'?

Will you stand by me and categorically state Palestinians are full humans who deserve all basic human rights, including the right to self defence and the Universal Right of Return? Or are you still here arguing they don't deserve the same right as all other humans?
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never called them "lesser humans". That was you. I've only denigrated Hamas and have never once called them vermin like you disgustingly try to say that I do. You constantly lie. There are at least 5 lies in this one post. And you have the nerve to call me nasty.

Of course they are full humans and allowed full human rights.

Like the right to have free and full elections in Gaza like they have NOT had for almost 20 years.
The right to speak out against their own government, Hamas, without fear of retaliation or reprisals.
The right to not be used as sacrificial lambs by Hamas.
The right to receive international aid intended for them without it being stolen by Hamas and then being sold back to them or for the aid to be used to buy weapons and build tunnels.
They have the right to not be thrust into a war that they never had a chance of winning but only to be used as pawns for PR purposes.

Why does Hamas deprive them of these basic rights?

The right of self-defense does not include the right to attack, rape and kill 1,200 peaceful civilians as Hamas did on Oct.7

A basic human right does not include the right to become Israeli citizens or vote in Israeli elections. As a sovereign nation, Israel has the right to decide who is entitled to become a citizen, just like every other sovereign nation in the world.
 
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never called them "lesser humans". That was you. I've only denigrated Hamas and have never once called them vermin like you disgustingly try to say that I do. You constantly lie. There are at least 5 lies in this one post. And you have the nerve to call me nasty.

Of course they are full humans and allowed full human rights.

Like the right to have free and full elections in Gaza like they have NOT had for almost 20 years.
The right to speak out against their own government, Hamas, without fear of retaliation or reprisals.
The right to not be used as sacrificial lambs by Hamas.
The right to receive international aid intended for them without it being stolen by Hamas and then being sold back to them or for the aid to be used to buy weapons and build tunnels.
They have the right to not be thrust into a war that they never had a chance of winning but only to be used as pawns for PR purposes.

Why does Hamas deprive them of these basic rights?

The right of self-defense does not include the right to attack, rape and kill 1,200 peaceful civilians as Hamas did on Oct.7

A basic human right does not include the right to become Israeli citizens or vote in Israeli elections. As a sovereign nation, Israel has the right to decide who is entitled to become a citizen, just like every other sovereign nation in the world.
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