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So that is their and your bloodthirsty justification for the Oct. 7 attack in an attempt for "liberation".
Unfortunately, their approach is an exercise in futility. All they are doing is guaranteeing reprisals, death and suffering of Gazans, continued control by Israel, and Hamas' destruction. What they ensured was "suicide by Israel". They are savage idiots.
Hamas knew that there would be Israeli reprisals. What they didn't anticipate was that Israel would come after them directly, tunnel by tunnel by tunnel by tunnel until they are eradicated. Their hate caused them to step over the line this time and Israel and the U.S. will not be detracted by world opinion. The U.N. is a despot controlled joke that is no longer relevant. Do you think that Russia or China will step in? Not a chance.
How can Hamas possibly win this war, a war of their own creation? What is Hamas' endgame? How do you expect this to play out such that Hamas and Gaza come out ahead?
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
BTW, are you posting from inside one of those tunnels?
Mostly.
I don't think that they anticipated that Israel would be prepared to take months to flush the Hamas rats out of every single tunnel and destroy all the military infrastructure that they built.
They anticipated Israeli bombing, civilians dying and then Israel having to back off once they felt enough retribution had been wrought.
They didn't realize how much they were stepping over the line, how Israel decided that enough is enough and how much this would steel up Israel's resolve.
Hamas have proved that they are feckless cowards and care ONLY about themselves but now the cowards are going to have to face the music. To be able to see the utter fear and dread in the eyes of these cowards just before they are killed would be priceless.
But of course, frank supports all this, because he supports the Oct. 7 attack that started all this.
Why do you think him and his ilk are all desperately posting propaganda worldwide. They know this time they are about to lose more land permanently. And that most of the world doesn't give a shit its going to happen.
From the New York Times today:
As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies
Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
Palestinians receiving building materials through tunnels in Southern Gaza in 2011. The network is by now so established that Hamas can manufacture weapons underground, eliminating the need to smuggle them from Egypt.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
By Matthew Rosenberg and Maria Abi-Habib
Oct. 27, 2023Updated 5:33 p.m. ET
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As supplies of virtually every basic human necessity dwindle in Gaza, one group in the besieged enclave remains well-stocked: Hamas.
Arab and Western officials say there is substance to Israeli claims of Hamas stockpiling supplies, including desperately needed food and fuel. Hamas, they say, has spent years building dozens of kilometers of tunnels under the strip where it has amassed stores of virtually everything needed for a drawn-out fight. It is a reality that Israel may soon find itself grappling with if it makes good on its threat to invade Gaza.
Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine, the officials said. A senior Lebanese official said Hamas, which is estimated to number between 35,000 and 40,000, had enough stocked away to keep fighting for three to four months without resupply.
One of the four Israeli hostages released by Hamas even described the group providing captives with medicine, shampoo and feminine hygiene products. All are now said to be extraordinarily scarce in Gaza more than two weeks after Israel, aided by Egypt, imposed what it called a “complete” blockade following the attack by the terrorist group on Oct. 7.
The Arab and Western officials who described Hamas’s supply situation all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were disclosing information gleaned from human sources, communications intercepts and other streams of intelligence. The stockpiles are typically kept underground, they said, and cautioned that precise details on Hamas’s supplies were difficult to come by.
While the blockade has left Gaza’s roughly 2 million people scraping by with what little food and water they scrounge up, it does not yet appear to have begun to degrade Hamas’s ability to fight. The group has launched hundreds of rockets at Israel since the blockade began and have fended off preliminary Israeli incursions into the enclave.
The supply situation speaks to the relative sophistication of Hamas as a fighting force — an axiom among military professionals is that while amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics. Yet with Gazans facing a humanitarian catastrophe, Hamas’s stockpiles raise questions about what responsibility, if any, it has to the civilian population.
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Displaced Palestinians charging their phones at a displacement camp in Khan Younis on Wednesday. Arab, Western and Israeli officials say that Hamas is sitting on a trove of supplies while Gazans are increasingly scrounging for necessities like food, water and electricity. Credit...Samar Abu Elouf for The New York Times
History abounds of well-supplied armies fighting on the front lines while the home front went hungry. Germans, for instance, endured what became known as the “Turnip Winter” at the height of World War I, even as the Kaiser’s armies were well provisioned. They eventually lost and the German Empire fell.
Hamas has said little of its supply situation — combatants rarely do — but the government it runs in Gaza says it has an emergency fuel stockpile that is quickly being depleted. “Hospitals, the ambulances and fire fighters’ machinery and civil defense trucks have been using the government emergency fuel store,” said Salama Marouf, who runs the government’s media office in Gaza.
But those fuel stockpiles are separate from and far smaller than the 211,000 to 264,000 gallons of gasoline and diesel that the Israeli military says Hamas has on hand.
Fuel has taken on growing importance in recent days. Israel has so far refused to allow any fuel to be delivered to Gaza, even as other aid begins to trickle in, leaving much of the enclave without electricity to power hospitals, desalinate or pump water, fire bakers’ ovens and run internet and cellphone services. The United Nations, which handles the bulk of humanitarian relief work in Gaza, said on Thursday that it “has almost exhausted its fuel reserves and begun to significantly reduce its operations.”
Asked about the situation, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, an Israeli military spokesman, told reporters that if Gazans or the United Nations need fuel, they should get it from Hamas.
“Hamas has fuel but has different priorities — to provide ventilation and air for its tunnel system, for firing rockets, command and control,” he said on Thursday.
Neither the Arab nor the Western officials offered estimates anywhere as detailed as what the Israelis claim. And with only a trickle of aid beginning to reach Gaza, Hamas does not appear to be replenishing its stores, they said.
“But they are very careful in using what they have because they will be using it for long periods,” said Samir Ghattas, an Egyptian strategic analyst who closely monitors Gaza.
That certainly appears to be the case with food. Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, a freed hostage, said that while in captivity she ate the same single meal that Hamas fighters eat every day: pita bread with two kinds of cheese and cucumber.
Mr. Ghattas said there was little chance that Hamas would be willing to provide food or any other kinds of supplies to aid civilians. “The Hamas movement cares only about the Hamas movement,” he said. “The public of Gaza mean absolutely nothing for Hamas.”
Hamas has grown adept at manufacturing its own weapons in underground bunkers and shielding them from Israel’s advanced surveillance systems, the Lebanese official said. So the smuggling routes that Hamas once relied on, through an intricate network of tunnels to Egypt, have become less relevant. Hamas has also raised money by taxing the Palestinian population that lives in Gaza, making outside support less relevant than before.
Isabel Kershner and Abu Bakr Bashir contributed reporting.
Matthew Rosenberg was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on Donald Trump, and more recently exposed how Cambridge Analytica harvested private information from Facebook. He previously spent 15 years as a foreign correspondent in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and was expelled from Afghanistan in 2014 because of his reporting. More about Matthew Rosenberg
Maria Abi-Habib is an investigative correspondent based in Mexico City, covering Latin America. She previously reported from Afghanistan, across the Middle East and in India, where she covered South Asia. More about Maria Abi-Habib
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 28, 2023, Section A, Page 9 of the New York edition with the headline: As Gazans Scrounge for Necessities, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies.
As Gazans Scrounge for Food and Water, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies
Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
Palestinians receiving building materials through tunnels in Southern Gaza in 2011. The network is by now so established that Hamas can manufacture weapons underground, eliminating the need to smuggle them from Egypt.Credit...Lynsey Addario for The New York Times
By Matthew Rosenberg and Maria Abi-Habib
Oct. 27, 2023Updated 5:33 p.m. ET
Sign up for the Israel-Hamas War Briefing. The latest news about the conflict. Get it sent to your inbox.
As supplies of virtually every basic human necessity dwindle in Gaza, one group in the besieged enclave remains well-stocked: Hamas.
Arab and Western officials say there is substance to Israeli claims of Hamas stockpiling supplies, including desperately needed food and fuel. Hamas, they say, has spent years building dozens of kilometers of tunnels under the strip where it has amassed stores of virtually everything needed for a drawn-out fight. It is a reality that Israel may soon find itself grappling with if it makes good on its threat to invade Gaza.
Hamas has hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for vehicles and rockets; caches of ammunition, explosives and materials to make more; and stockpiles of food, water and medicine, the officials said. A senior Lebanese official said Hamas, which is estimated to number between 35,000 and 40,000, had enough stocked away to keep fighting for three to four months without resupply.
One of the four Israeli hostages released by Hamas even described the group providing captives with medicine, shampoo and feminine hygiene products. All are now said to be extraordinarily scarce in Gaza more than two weeks after Israel, aided by Egypt, imposed what it called a “complete” blockade following the attack by the terrorist group on Oct. 7.
The Arab and Western officials who described Hamas’s supply situation all spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were disclosing information gleaned from human sources, communications intercepts and other streams of intelligence. The stockpiles are typically kept underground, they said, and cautioned that precise details on Hamas’s supplies were difficult to come by.
While the blockade has left Gaza’s roughly 2 million people scraping by with what little food and water they scrounge up, it does not yet appear to have begun to degrade Hamas’s ability to fight. The group has launched hundreds of rockets at Israel since the blockade began and have fended off preliminary Israeli incursions into the enclave.
The supply situation speaks to the relative sophistication of Hamas as a fighting force — an axiom among military professionals is that while amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics. Yet with Gazans facing a humanitarian catastrophe, Hamas’s stockpiles raise questions about what responsibility, if any, it has to the civilian population.
Image
Displaced Palestinians charging their phones at a displacement camp in Khan Younis on Wednesday. Arab, Western and Israeli officials say that Hamas is sitting on a trove of supplies while Gazans are increasingly scrounging for necessities like food, water and electricity. Credit...Samar Abu Elouf for The New York Times
History abounds of well-supplied armies fighting on the front lines while the home front went hungry. Germans, for instance, endured what became known as the “Turnip Winter” at the height of World War I, even as the Kaiser’s armies were well provisioned. They eventually lost and the German Empire fell.
Hamas has said little of its supply situation — combatants rarely do — but the government it runs in Gaza says it has an emergency fuel stockpile that is quickly being depleted. “Hospitals, the ambulances and fire fighters’ machinery and civil defense trucks have been using the government emergency fuel store,” said Salama Marouf, who runs the government’s media office in Gaza.
But those fuel stockpiles are separate from and far smaller than the 211,000 to 264,000 gallons of gasoline and diesel that the Israeli military says Hamas has on hand.
Fuel has taken on growing importance in recent days. Israel has so far refused to allow any fuel to be delivered to Gaza, even as other aid begins to trickle in, leaving much of the enclave without electricity to power hospitals, desalinate or pump water, fire bakers’ ovens and run internet and cellphone services. The United Nations, which handles the bulk of humanitarian relief work in Gaza, said on Thursday that it “has almost exhausted its fuel reserves and begun to significantly reduce its operations.”
Asked about the situation, Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, an Israeli military spokesman, told reporters that if Gazans or the United Nations need fuel, they should get it from Hamas.
“Hamas has fuel but has different priorities — to provide ventilation and air for its tunnel system, for firing rockets, command and control,” he said on Thursday.
Neither the Arab nor the Western officials offered estimates anywhere as detailed as what the Israelis claim. And with only a trickle of aid beginning to reach Gaza, Hamas does not appear to be replenishing its stores, they said.
“But they are very careful in using what they have because they will be using it for long periods,” said Samir Ghattas, an Egyptian strategic analyst who closely monitors Gaza.
That certainly appears to be the case with food. Yocheved Lifshitz, 85, a freed hostage, said that while in captivity she ate the same single meal that Hamas fighters eat every day: pita bread with two kinds of cheese and cucumber.
Mr. Ghattas said there was little chance that Hamas would be willing to provide food or any other kinds of supplies to aid civilians. “The Hamas movement cares only about the Hamas movement,” he said. “The public of Gaza mean absolutely nothing for Hamas.”
Hamas has grown adept at manufacturing its own weapons in underground bunkers and shielding them from Israel’s advanced surveillance systems, the Lebanese official said. So the smuggling routes that Hamas once relied on, through an intricate network of tunnels to Egypt, have become less relevant. Hamas has also raised money by taxing the Palestinian population that lives in Gaza, making outside support less relevant than before.
Isabel Kershner and Abu Bakr Bashir contributed reporting.
Matthew Rosenberg was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on Donald Trump, and more recently exposed how Cambridge Analytica harvested private information from Facebook. He previously spent 15 years as a foreign correspondent in Asia, Africa and the Middle East, and was expelled from Afghanistan in 2014 because of his reporting. More about Matthew Rosenberg
Maria Abi-Habib is an investigative correspondent based in Mexico City, covering Latin America. She previously reported from Afghanistan, across the Middle East and in India, where she covered South Asia. More about Maria Abi-Habib
A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 28, 2023, Section A, Page 9 of the New York edition with the headline: As Gazans Scrounge for Necessities, Hamas Sits on a Rich Trove of Supplies.
These are frank's kind of people. They are his heroes.
Do you think he would ever condemn their barbarism? Not a fucking chance. He will say that they were justified. He will never admit that this attack of Oct. 7 initiated Israel's response.
Your claims are pathetic lies/hollow words.
You support and praise the attack of Oct. 7 and you care not a whit about how Gazans are the ones who are paying a price.
Unfortunately, this time, your terrorist heroes will all be sent to hell and no virgins will be waiting for them.
By exterminating the Hamas vermin.
It will look like a war zone that is free of the perpetrators of that war. It will look like a place that Gazans can live in peace.
Well there you go...Hamas was actually engaged in a military operation.
Just to remove any doubts...
(October 27, 2023 / JNS)
Hamas has systematically turned hospitals in the Gaza Strip into terror command centers and hideouts, the Israel Defense Forces said on Friday, as volleys of rockets fired by Hamas targeted central and southern Israel.
Four people were injured in a direct rocket strike on a residential building in Tel Aviv on Friday afternoon, ranging from moderate to light injuries. Half an hour after that attack, central Israel was again targeted by rockets.
IDF: Hamas's terror command center built under Gaza's main hospital - JNS.org
Hamas has systematically turned hospitals in the Gaza Strip into terror command centers and hideouts, the Israel Defense Forces said on Friday, as volleys of rockets fired by Hamas targeted central and southern Israel.
Four people were injured in a direct rocket strike on a residential building in Tel Aviv on Friday afternoon, ranging from moderate to light injuries. Half an hour after that attack, central Israel was again targeted by rockets.
IDF: Hamas's terror command center built under Gaza's main hospital - JNS.org
Your typical doublespeak.
You say you don't support Hamas yet you have yet to condemn their attack. Instead you justify it.
There is no other conclusion other than that you are full of BS and you wholeheartedly support Hamas.
We would indeed be morons if we accepted your lies and your refusal to condemn the Oct. 7 attack.
Tell us that you specifically condemn the Oct. 7 attack as an act of terrorism. Your non-answer will make us right and you will be the moron.
Or make them reject Hamas once they see that Hamas has been their oppressors and has hung them out to dry.
Um, I 100% support Israel but the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians. It may take 50 years but its going to happen, with a small amount assimilating.
It and the West Bank and going to be resettled. They have to. Then the borders to the south with Egypt and Jordan can be better secured. And they will have defense in depth. Set up increased Iron Dome placements and secure Tel Aviv.
The Lebanese border and Syrian border will be threats for a while. But removing what are essentially interior security threats will go a long way.
Also, highly unlikely Arab countries and Iran will want to spend blood and treasure supporting the Palestinians. Trudeau's Canada will probably accept 500,000 Palestinian refugees and they can continue their struggle here.
Diversity is great but it is often also be divisive. Even now there are pro-Israel groups and anti-Israel groups (universities, unions, NDP, wokies, etc.) and groups who don't give a fcuk.
Because releasing millions of Gazans into general population will only lead to hamas taking power in the West Bank and continuing their fight for eliminating israel as a state.
its not an option and it will not happen. Nobody wants those radicals poisoned by hamas propaganda. neither Egypt nor Jordan nor anyone else.
After 18 years of failure he thinks BDS is a success. It hasn't done shit. Because of so many reasons. Most of all the simple fact its goals are unattainable.
