You know as well as anyone that "number of people killed" isn't the defining characteristic of genocide.There you have it folks. Killing 300,000 isn't genocide.
You know as well as anyone that "number of people killed" isn't the defining characteristic of genocide.There you have it folks. Killing 300,000 isn't genocide.
The NYPD humiliating themselves like this with books and bike chains is one small thing I can enjoy about it all as a sort of dark humour.A history book. On campus. Go figure.
The fact that you need to draw the line there says a lot. It's obvious why you don't want to start in 1919 when Arab leaders incited mob violence against indigenous Jewish populations or 1948 when Palestinian and Arab leadership chose rejection and war....
In my opinion, 1967 is a good line to draw because Israel started building settlements in the West Bank in 1967, which are actually illegal per international law.
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Yet when it comes to Israel's Jews, you have said they all should be expelled, even the ones who have dedicated their lives to fighting for Palestinian rights....
Hamas are Palestinians. Palestinians are not Hamas.
Some terrorists are Muslim. Muslims are not terrorists.
Islamic Fundamentalists believe in Islam. Muslims who believe in Islam are however, not fundamentalists.
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I love that you are at least attempting to discuss history. Would you like some of the gaps filled in? I know you refuse to believe Arabs can have agency or ability to make their decisions but...-1
The super quick history, sure to start lots of debate on its own.
1900's Palestine was pluralistic, Muslim, Christian and Jews under British rule.
1900 - 1930's - the zionist movement decided Israel was their new homeland
WWII - holocaust and horrid shite happened to the Jewish people
Post WWII - Churchill, himself very racist, works to solve the Jewish refugee problem by offering them half of Palestine, despite having promised Palestinians to return the entire country to them.
1948 - UN agrees to give half of Palestine to 7% of the population, Palestinians aren't happy and zionists aren't either.
1948 -67 lots of fighting
1967 - Israel takes over all of Palestine
1967 - now - Israel wipes Palestine off the map, occasionally pretending to talk peace like with Oslo, but always establishing 'facts on the ground' as Netanyahu called them
1988 - Hamas is started in reaction to an ineffectual Palestinian government
Zionists are like Russia is to Ukraine here. A foreign movement that has taken over another country.
The issue is that there are 5 million Israeli Jews and 5 million Palestinians so while Israel has taken too much land to enact the two state solution if you ask them about the 'demographic' problem they'll also freak out. Israel can't exist as a 'Jewish' state if Palestinians have the vote, since they are half the population. And that leaves them where they are. No land left for a viable two state solution and too many Palestinians for them to accept Palestinians with equal rights. Palestinians have nowhere to go and don't want to join the other 5 million Palestinian refugees who were chased out of the country in 1948.
What hypocrisy. If you want to deal with what to do next, then there's no reason to start in 1967.I dont want to start in 1919 or 1948, because there is no point in doing so when thinking about what we should do next. I have already said I reject the premise of Israel. If I was God, or had the miraculous power to turn back the clock, Israel would not exist as a country AT ALL and we would not be having this discussion.
That is an outright blatant lie. Quote my post where I said that.
Except they have in the past and Olmert's offer in 2008 offered a completely contiguous Palestinian state.Well Israel wont give up settlements. IMO, whoever you appoint as the Palestinian representative, the Palestinian side should just accept what they have. Like Gaza, Area A and Area B - if that is all they are getting, in return for forming a sovereign state, they should accept. Form the state first and everything else next.
'Well Israel wont give up settlements. IMO, whoever you appoint as the Palestinian representative, the Palestinian side should just accept what they have. Like Gaza, Area A and Area B - if that is all they are getting, in return for forming a sovereign state, they should accept. Form the state first and everything else next.
So of course those lives don't matrer then..You know as well as anyone that "number of people killed" isn't the defining characteristic of genocide.
That's strange because the entirety of what you typed was this:I said that religious extremists who think they are the chosen people believe that, hammy.
I don't see what you claim. For sure, though, I see that you called Palestinians "lesser humans". You keep referring to genocide, so there's denying that's who you meant.I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.
Do you think the zionists who call themselves the 'chosen people' think that slaughtering the Palestinians they refuse basic human rights to think they are on a path to righteousness, hammy? Under Israeli apartheid, Palestinians have zero human rights, do you think that makes them legally 'lesser humans' than Israeli Jews?That's strange because the entirety of what you typed was this:
I don't see what you claim. For sure, though, I see that you called Palestinians "lesser humans". You keep referring to genocide, so there's denying that's who you meant.I think there is an exception for all chosen people, they can do no wrong and slaughtering lesser humans is part of their path of righteousness.
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
How is that any different from Oct 6?True. It should atleast start there and they could may be get Israel to surrender Area C. But I think a Bantustan is better than Israeli oppression and governance. I think benefits such as freedom of movement, freedom to elect their own leaders freedom to conduct their own business etc., is more important right now.