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Butler1000

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One book by an individual found responsible for the deaths of 11 Palestinian Israelis? That’s disturbing and reveals a great deal.
He is rather scathing of various Israeli govts and figures in the book. Unless you read it you can't critique it. It was an example and the most memorable to me. The rest are lost in memory as I read some of them over 30 years ago.


Here is his bio. He didn't actually kill anyone but was held responsible for underlings actions. More importantly is his continued criticism of Israel as an example of his non bias.

I stand by this choice.
 

Conil

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More clearer than that, you can't.

Oct. 7 massacre 'was just a rehearsal,' says Hamas leader in first public address since Israel attack

Yahya Sinwar made his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel


Hamas’s Oct. 7 slaughter was “just a rehearsal,” the Islamist group’s leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar threatened on Thursday, in his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel.
“The leaders of the occupation [Israel] should know, Oct. 7 was just a rehearsal,” stated Sinwar, according to the Maariv newspaper.

At least 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israeli communities near the Gaza border. Another 240 men, women, children and soldiers were taken back to Gaza as hostages.

On Monday, Israeli media reported that Sinwar paid a visit to several of the hostages held in an underground tunnel in the Strip. One of the hostages released over the weekend said the terror mastermind spoke to them in Hebrew without an accent.

As Israel and Hamas agreed to extend their ceasefire-for-hostages agreement on Monday, Egypt reportedly put heavy pressure on Sinwar.
“Twice during the ceasefire the parties got into a crisis when Yahya Sinwar tried to violate the agreements, the first time last Saturday night,” said an Egyptian source with access to official circles in Cairo.
“Egyptian intelligence officers arrived at the Rafah Crossing [to Gaza] and conveyed to Sinwar extremely difficult messages and threats peppered with juicy curses. A short hour later … the Israeli hostages were released,” the source added.

On Oct. 14, Israel Defense Forces International Spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht told journalists that Sinwar and his entire command team “are in our sights.”

“Yahya Sinwar is the face of evil. He is the mastermind behind this, like [Osama] bin Laden was. He built his career on murdering Palestinians when he understood they were collaborators. That’s how he became known as the butcher of Khan Yunis [in southern Gaza],” said Hecht.

Sinwar was convicted on multiple murder counts by an Israeli court and sentenced to five life sentences, which he was supposed to serve until his death, but in October 2011 he was released from prison—having served only 22 years—as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

After his release, Sinwar gained power and popularity within Hamas, becoming its Gaza leader in February 2017 by defeating Ismail Haniyeh in an internal vote.

 
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Conil

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How about you just end the occupation, apartheid and talk peace instead of killing people?
When Israele left Gaza in 2005, as the last Israeli truck was leaving, Hamas started to fire rockets. Palestinians just want the Jews dead and you defend them and support them. .
 
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Gaza had a population of 250,000 in 1967, the population now is 2.3 million. I’d say the Israelis really suck at your supposed claim of genocide
😂 So true, the Palestinians and their supporters just lie thru their teeth.
 

Conil

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People need to think twice who they're letting in Canada. Canadians are shaking their head when reading this type of savagery.

Videos show pro-Palestinian protesters storming school board meeting in Ontario

'There were trustees who were terrified. Some sitting there frozen. Trustees were saying this isn’t right'

A crowd of pro-Palestinian demonstrators broke up a school board meeting in Ontario’s Peel region, Wednesday, drowning out elected trustees with chanting, and later stormed past security into a locked room where trustees had retreated to reconvene the meeting.

“Somebody was just trying to let this young student trustee out to go to the bathroom, they pushed down the security guard and they grabbed the door,” said David Green, chair of the Peel District School Board.

“They stormed the room.

“The staff that was standing up there got knocked down, and another was pushed down, trampled all over. One lady she just came — it was like at a wrestling match — she ran past everybody and came straight for me.

“It was horrible,” Green said in an interview.

“There were trustees who were terrified. Some sitting there frozen. Trustees were saying this isn’t right, they were afraid.

“In my 21 years as a trustee, we’ve had challenging situations in our boardroom but we’ve never had anything like this, when staff and trustees are put in a place where they are fearful to the point where people are assaulted.”

Green said he was told people came to the building and told the crowd “they’re in that room, bang it down, kick it down if you have to.”

The disturbance erupted at the regularly scheduled board meeting of trustees for the Peel District School Board, in its headquarters in Mississauga, west of Toronto.

A social media account in the days before the meeting urged “students, parents and concerned community members” to attend the meeting, in a “call to action” post asking people to “bring your flags, keffiyehs, and signs.”

The large, multi-tiered public gallery at the board hall filled with people before the meeting began. Some held Palestinian flags and signs.

Most of the meeting was broadcast live online by the board, but that feed stopped when the meeting fell into chaos.

The meeting started normally, with Green calling it to order and thanking the gallery for its patience for starting late.

Green asked people to stand for an Indigenous land acknowledgement and the playing of Canada’s national anthem.

Most people in the public gallery stood for the land acknowledge but sat down when the national anthem began, the meeting video shows.

 

richaceg

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Everyone here already knows you see all Palestinians, even children and babies, as hamas. You think little babies deserve to be bombed and buried under rubble, just because of where they were born.
Nobody said that, you wish you'd hear me say that...unlike you I actually care for civilians on both sides...they ave no skin in the game...hamas set this fucking thing in motion but you will never condemn them..you're a big fan...like Franky...
 

xmontrealer

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So it seems Hamas has had enough ceasefire and wants Israel to go back to full on war.

Despite yesterday and today Israel releasing 30 prisoners each day, yesterday Hamas released only 8 hostages, and today just 6. It seems Hamas may have run out of women and children to release, and are reluctant to release male hostages of any age.

It was suggested on news sources that they will try to negotiate more than 30 per day Palestinian prisoners in exchange for the supposed "higher value" male hostages. I don't think Israel should budge on the originally agreed, though lopsided, agreement.

Oh yeah. And the two Hamas militants not only killed 3 Israelis at the bus stop in Jerusalem yesterday (our time), including a pregnant woman, but also wounded several more.

Looks like it likely death and destruction time in Gaza again. With only Hamas to blame! :mad:
 
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richaceg

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How are innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza responsible for Hamas' actions in Jerusalem? What is this logic people have to constantly justify collective punishments?
Hey are not responsible but they will be used again and again to shield hamas from IDF operations....then you will cry ceasefire...then hamas will again start shooting at Israelis....lather rinse repeat....
 

Leimonis

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How are innocent Palestinian civilians in Gaza responsible for Hamas' actions in Jerusalem? What is this logic people have to constantly justify collective punishments?
It’s not collective punishment it’s just people have to die all the time for the humankind to move forward.

if we set speed limits 20km/hr on residential streets and on the highways a lot less innocent people would die.
But we all are okay with them to die. Because we like to move forward. And we learn to ignore collateral damage.
 

versitile1

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No, I'm stating that in the 40 years I've looked at this, read books on it by scholars, watched the news, back to the original Camp David Accords, I haven't seen a way forward on peace due to Muslims derailing the process. That corruption is rife, internal fighting is fire, religious extremism is rife, interference from foreign Muslim nations is rife. And quite simply refusal to compromise and get past old grievances, and swallow pride is endemic.

But that if what you say is true then a real charismatic leader could over come it. Could rally all of the peaceful Palestinians to the cause. Stifle the extremism and gain real traction in the international community and within Israel to get it done.

And in 40 years none have come forward. Or been killed by their own people. Dismissing my question is proof you have given up as well. You are resigned to winner take all. Just like me.

Either actually show proof of hope, or admit I'm right.
No. Your plan for the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment of Palestinian civilians is wrong. No matter how you try to justify it in your own tiny mind.
 
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