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Actually it's the curriculum for Gazan children.
Actually it’s just another example of your racism taught to you since childhood. How many victim stories were you weaned on?
 
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Scars of War, Wounds of Peace. The Israeli-Arab Tragedy By Shlomo Ben-ami. Published 2005.

As an example. There were others loaned to me be teachers, friends, from the library when I was younger. But that one is especially good. I highly recommend it.

It encapsulates in my opinion the best information on the history of the region, and especially shows how Anwar Sadat was probably the last great hope for a greater peace treaty and stability in the region.
One book by an individual found responsible for the deaths of 11 Palestinian Israelis? That’s disturbing and reveals a great deal.
 

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Hamas= Isis

Hamas drugged children; burned legs with motorcycle exhaust for identification

Each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists kidnapped children on motorcycles and were trained to create a specific sign on their bodies: they put one of the children’s legs in the motorcycle exhaust. In addition, according to an uncle of two of these children hostages who were freed, they were drugged - according to a report on N12.

Yaniv, the uncle of Yagil, 12, and Or Yaakov, 16 from Kibbutz Nir Oz, who were released by Hamas, told foreign ministers in Europe.

Hamas uses burns as identification method
According to the plan, published on N12, the kidnappers would recognize that the children 'belonged' to them by a specific sign. Beyond just marking a part of the body, a practice that revives traumatic memories from grim periods in history, the children were repeatedly drugged and shuffled from one location to another.

“The children have been returned to us and shared harrowing tales of their experiences in Gaza,” the uncle recounted. “'One particularly disturbing detail that shook me was how each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns. This was done to mark the children, ensuring their identification should they try to escape or be rescued. They're now safely with us, although they were drugged and treated horrifically, but at least they're here with us now.'"

Late Thursday night, MK Naftali Bennett commented on the revelation on X: "We now know that Hamas terrorists who held hostage 13-year-old Yagel Yaacov and his brother Or, used a boiling hot motorcycle exhaust to 'imprint' a burn on their legs as a way to identify them if they try to escape," the former prime minister reported. "Let me repeat: They took a boiling piece of metal and pinned it to the legs of a helpless 13 year old captive child.

"Hamas are sadistic monsters, and we’re going to have to kill them," Bennett concluded.

 
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Conil

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Not only the Palestinians, but Muslims around the world. The large protests in London were by Muslims and a small amount of Palestinians.

Survey: Palestinians Overwhelmingly Support Hamas and Islamic Jihad

Contrary to claims from some on the left in the debate surrounding the Israel-Hamas conflict, support for the Islamic terrorist group remains high in both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, even weeks after the brutal massacre on October 7. The atrocities of that day, including rape, kidnapping, and torture of infants, also garner significant support among Muslims.

From October 31 to November 7, the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD) examined Palestinians’ attitudes toward various Islamic terrorist groups, countries, media, and organizations.

Ninety-eight percent stated that they will never forget or forgive the Israeli attacks in response to the Hamas massacre. A slightly lower percentage, 90 percent, indicated that coexistence is increasingly impossible.

An overwhelming 75 percent support the massacre of innocent Israelis and Jews on October 7, with only 13 percent opposed.

Additionally, 98% of respondents reported feeling prouder of their Palestinian identity since Hamas attacked Israel. Eighty percent said that their resolve to achieve a Palestinian state has increased.

Concerning trust and support for terrorist groups, countries, and media, Hamas ranks among the highest, while the USA, Israel, and the West are at the bottom.

Amidst the recent conflict, news consumption trends among Palestinians revealed distinct preferences. Notably, Islamic-controlled media outlets took precedence, with Al Jazeera emerging as the top choice for news. A significant 62% of adults, and an even more staggering 92% among those favoring regional or Arab stations, preferred Al Jazeera. Al Mayadeen secured the second spot, followed by Al Arabiya.

Telegram is the primary source for war-related news on social media, cited by 48% of users. Facebook followed at 31%, with Instagram and WhatsApp contributing 10% and 9%, respectively—notably, TikTok or Twitter (X) as the primary news source was reported by less than 1%.

 

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How classic. Everybody wants proof and once they are shown it the screams of "LIES". The classic move of someone who's lost the debate.

Tell us that the film was made by Steven Spielberg, the Jew.
You are saying that in reference to the two posts above, of course.
The Amnesty and Euro Med reports?
 

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Show us the quote.

Maybe you're lying. Everybody is referring to this current war as having started immediately after Oct. 7.

That's the day that Netanyahu declared war on Hamas. That was the day all these new tactics and strategy were initiated by Israel. Only a fool or a liar would not recognize how things changed so much on that day.
Its only different in the scale from 2008 and 2014.
Same crap Israel has been doing for half a century.

Steal some land.
Palestinians resist the occupation and kill a few Israelis.
Israel kills 10x the number.
Temporary pause.
repeat
 

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Your accusations are joke. It's interesting to see that you need to resort to lying to try to condemn me.
You do a fine job of condemning yourself.
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
But hey, you're just repeating what the good zionists say.
 

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Hamas= Isis

Hamas drugged children; burned legs with motorcycle exhaust for identification

Each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns.

On October 7, Hamas terrorists kidnapped children on motorcycles and were trained to create a specific sign on their bodies: they put one of the children’s legs in the motorcycle exhaust. In addition, according to an uncle of two of these children hostages who were freed, they were drugged - according to a report on N12.

Yaniv, the uncle of Yagil, 12, and Or Yaakov, 16 from Kibbutz Nir Oz, who were released by Hamas, told foreign ministers in Europe.

Hamas uses burns as identification method
According to the plan, published on N12, the kidnappers would recognize that the children 'belonged' to them by a specific sign. Beyond just marking a part of the body, a practice that revives traumatic memories from grim periods in history, the children were repeatedly drugged and shuffled from one location to another.

“The children have been returned to us and shared harrowing tales of their experiences in Gaza,” the uncle recounted. “'One particularly disturbing detail that shook me was how each child seized by Hamas was placed on a motorcycle. They positioned the child's leg against the bike's exhaust pipe, causing burns. This was done to mark the children, ensuring their identification should they try to escape or be rescued. They're now safely with us, although they were drugged and treated horrifically, but at least they're here with us now.'"

Late Thursday night, MK Naftali Bennett commented on the revelation on X: "We now know that Hamas terrorists who held hostage 13-year-old Yagel Yaacov and his brother Or, used a boiling hot motorcycle exhaust to 'imprint' a burn on their legs as a way to identify them if they try to escape," the former prime minister reported. "Let me repeat: They took a boiling piece of metal and pinned it to the legs of a helpless 13 year old captive child.

"Hamas are sadistic monsters, and we’re going to have to kill them," Bennett concluded.

More reasons for a ceasefire.
Stop this madness.

 

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One book by an individual found responsible for the deaths of 11 Palestinian Israelis? That’s disturbing and reveals a great deal.
He is rather scathing of various Israeli govts and figures in the book. Unless you read it you can't critique it. It was an example and the most memorable to me. The rest are lost in memory as I read some of them over 30 years ago.


Here is his bio. He didn't actually kill anyone but was held responsible for underlings actions. More importantly is his continued criticism of Israel as an example of his non bias.

I stand by this choice.
 

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More clearer than that, you can't.

Oct. 7 massacre 'was just a rehearsal,' says Hamas leader in first public address since Israel attack

Yahya Sinwar made his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel


Hamas’s Oct. 7 slaughter was “just a rehearsal,” the Islamist group’s leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar threatened on Thursday, in his first public statement since the terrorist organization massacred more than a thousand people in Israel.
“The leaders of the occupation [Israel] should know, Oct. 7 was just a rehearsal,” stated Sinwar, according to the Maariv newspaper.

At least 1,200 people were killed in Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israeli communities near the Gaza border. Another 240 men, women, children and soldiers were taken back to Gaza as hostages.

On Monday, Israeli media reported that Sinwar paid a visit to several of the hostages held in an underground tunnel in the Strip. One of the hostages released over the weekend said the terror mastermind spoke to them in Hebrew without an accent.

As Israel and Hamas agreed to extend their ceasefire-for-hostages agreement on Monday, Egypt reportedly put heavy pressure on Sinwar.
“Twice during the ceasefire the parties got into a crisis when Yahya Sinwar tried to violate the agreements, the first time last Saturday night,” said an Egyptian source with access to official circles in Cairo.
“Egyptian intelligence officers arrived at the Rafah Crossing [to Gaza] and conveyed to Sinwar extremely difficult messages and threats peppered with juicy curses. A short hour later … the Israeli hostages were released,” the source added.

On Oct. 14, Israel Defense Forces International Spokesperson Lt. Col. Richard Hecht told journalists that Sinwar and his entire command team “are in our sights.”

“Yahya Sinwar is the face of evil. He is the mastermind behind this, like [Osama] bin Laden was. He built his career on murdering Palestinians when he understood they were collaborators. That’s how he became known as the butcher of Khan Yunis [in southern Gaza],” said Hecht.

Sinwar was convicted on multiple murder counts by an Israeli court and sentenced to five life sentences, which he was supposed to serve until his death, but in October 2011 he was released from prison—having served only 22 years—as part of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange.

After his release, Sinwar gained power and popularity within Hamas, becoming its Gaza leader in February 2017 by defeating Ismail Haniyeh in an internal vote.

 
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Conil

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How about you just end the occupation, apartheid and talk peace instead of killing people?
When Israele left Gaza in 2005, as the last Israeli truck was leaving, Hamas started to fire rockets. Palestinians just want the Jews dead and you defend them and support them. .
 
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