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Frankfooter

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So IDF estimated they killed about 20k of Hamas terrorists...they didn't say palestinians...
That's because, like most of the zionists on this board, they don't think there are civilian Palestinians, just 'terrorists'.
That's how you get people to go along with genocide, you say you aren't killing people, you're killing 'terrorists'.

 
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if you have read my posts I have always said that crtisim and hatred of the state of Israel and its policies (and there is much to criticize) is not necessary antisemitism. Calls for the river to the sea is.
Calls for 'river to the sea' are not antisemitic, its a call for freedom for Palestinians from river to sea.
Basketcase and canadaman both argued saying 'Free Palestine' is antisemitic, this is the same.

Demanding equality is not antisemitic.

 

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I think the slogan has been hijacked and misinterpreted to push Israeli propaganda. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, is simple enough to mean, that Palestinians will have freedom throughout the land of present day Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. That is not a genocidal slogan. It is simply misinterpreted as such to both deny the Palestinians statehood and justify Israeli oppression. So stop misinterpreting things and resorting to rhetoric. If you want to discuss issues, discuss it honestly.

What does it mean?
To Palestinian and Israeli observers alike, different interpretations over the meaning of the slogan hang on the term “free”.

Nimer Sultany, a lecturer in law at the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) in London, said the adjective expresses “the need for equality for all inhabitants of historic Palestine”.

“Those who support apartheid and Jewish supremacy will find the egalitarian chant objectionable,” Sultany, a Palestinian citizen of Israel, told Al Jazeera.

Freedom here refers to the fact that Palestinians have been denied the realisation of their right to self-determination since Britain granted the Jews the right to establish a national homeland in Palestine through the Balfour Declaration of 1917.

“This continues to be the crux of the problem: the ongoing denial of Palestinians to live in equality, freedom and dignity like everyone else,” Sultany said.


Absurd. It has one meaning and every one knows it. Your attempts to try and whitewash it is just more evidence of your Jew hatred.
 

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Hamas releases 2 female hostages as ceasefire extends to a 7th day: Full coverage of Israel-Hamas war (yahoo.com)

It appears that the ceasefire pause has been extended. Hopefully it will keep being extended with more and more hostage/prisoners being exchanged.

This despite the killing of 3 innocent Israelis at a bus stop in Jerusalem yesterday, which Hamas has admitted was carried out by members of their military wing.

Thankfully Israel chose to not let that act of murderous and vile Hamas aggression scuttle the deal.

Anyways here we are closing in on 10,000 posts in this thread. How high can we go?
Netanyahu's career is over as soon as there is a ceasefire, he's going to kill Palestinians as long as he can.

 

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It is not the policy of the government of Israel that Palestinians be removed. They were advised to leave the north in order to avoid casualties. That is the opposite of ethnic cleansing. The idf does not target civilians . It targets tunnels and command and control and rocket launchers which your hero’s in Hamas have embedded in hospitals etc. regrettably . Hamas has both discouraged and actively prevented many Palestinians from leaving the north. Any loss of civilian life is a tragedy but are you aware of some bounty which would allow 1200 civilians to be slaughtered and 240 to be taken hostage and do nothing. The problem here is Hamas not the Palestinian people who have been held captive by Hamas which has diverted resources and billions in aide to enriching their leaders and building tunnels and rockets rather than a country.
It's not Israeli "policy", but they do it anyways.


 

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Yes. It has one meaning - freedom for Palestinians. Everybody does know it. But try to misuse it to push their own agendas.
Absurd . it has that meaning only to people who are trying to camouflage and sanitize its tru meaning. Why don’t you ask Hamas what it means. I ll give you a hint. No Jews in Israel/Palestine. Not no zionists. No Jews.
 

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Absurd . it has that meaning only to people who are trying to camouflage and sanitize its tru meaning. Why don’t you ask Hamas what it means. I ll give you a hint. No Jews in Israel/Palestine. Not no zionists. No Jews.
Why is it ok that the same phrase is in the Likud charter and Netanyahu has used it to wipe Palestine off the maps?
Why does that make it ok to try to wipe Palestinians off the planet?

 

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I dont care about Hamas and dont have to ask them. This is not a slogan used by Hamas.

This is a slogan used in the west by pro-Palestinian supporters who care about Palestinian civilians. As do I. So it only refers to Palestinians living in freedom and equality with the Israelis.
Get real. It is a call to rid Israel of Jews. Plain and simple.
 

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So IDF estimated they killed about 20k of Hamas terrorists...they didn't say palestinians...
Everyone here already knows you see all Palestinians, even children and babies, as hamas. You think little babies deserve to be bombed and buried under rubble, just because of where they were born.
 
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What do you care? You want them all ethnically cleansed and collectively punished. You must have a nice spot picked out in the West Bank, or is it in Gaza?
You Can't answer be because there isn't one. And there won't be. So now the next question is would the Palestinians accept an international force coming and ruling the Gaza until peace deal can be achieved?
 

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Assasinated by Israel or in an Israeli prison. Any new or emerging leadership will be targeted for death or imprisonment.

Israel is terrified of effective Palestinian leadership.
Im listening. Names? Who are they?
 

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You Can't answer be because there isn't one. And there won't be. So now the next question is would the Palestinians accept an international force coming and ruling the Gaza until peace deal can be achieved?
Why would I bother? All you do is paint all Palestinians and Muslims with the same brush, blame the majority for the actions of a few, mention unrelated conflicts, and bring up the Tamil Tigers. Those are literally all your talking points.
 
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Why would I bother? All you do is paint all Palestinians and Muslims with the same brush, blame the majority for the actions of a few, mention unrelated conflicts, and bring up the Tamil Tigers.
No, I'm stating that in the 40 years I've looked at this, read books on it by scholars, watched the news, back to the original Camp David Accords, I haven't seen a way forward on peace due to Muslims derailing the process. That corruption is rife, internal fighting is fire, religious extremism is rife, interference from foreign Muslim nations is rife. And quite simply refusal to compromise and get past old grievances, and swallow pride is endemic.

But that if what you say is true then a real charismatic leader could over come it. Could rally all of the peaceful Palestinians to the cause. Stifle the extremism and gain real traction in the international community and within Israel to get it done.

And in 40 years none have come forward. Or been killed by their own people. Dismissing my question is proof you have given up as well. You are resigned to winner take all. Just like me.

Either actually show proof of hope, or admit I'm right.
 
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Hamas releases 2 female hostages as ceasefire extends to a 7th day: Full coverage of Israel-Hamas war (yahoo.com)

It appears that the ceasefire pause has been extended. Hopefully it will keep being extended with more and more hostage/prisoners being exchanged.

This despite the killing of 3 innocent Israelis at a bus stop in Jerusalem yesterday, which Hamas has admitted was carried out by members of their military wing.

Thankfully Israel chose to not let that act of murderous and vile Hamas aggression scuttle the deal.

Anyways here we are closing in on 10,000 posts in this thread. How high can we go?
Delusional
 

Klatuu

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No, I'm stating that in the 40 years I've looked at this, read books on it by scholars, watched the news, back to the original Camp David Accords, I haven't seen a way forward on peace due to Muslims derailing the process. That corruption is rife, internal fighting is fire, religious extremism is rife, interference from foreign Muslim nations is rife. And quite simply refusal to compromise and get past old grievances, and swallow pride is endemic.

But that if what you say is true then a real charismatic leader could over come it. Could rally all of the peaceful Palestinians to the cause. Stifle the extremism and gain real traction in the international community and within Israel to get it done.

And in 40 years none have come forward. Or been killed by their own people. Dismissing my question is proof you have given up as well. You are resigned to winner take all. Just like me.

Either actually show proof of hope, or admit I'm right.
Give us the name of the books you’ve read by “scholars “.
 

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Which war zone is that?
The one created by IDF occupying Palestinian territories? Imposing embargos, cutting off electricity, water, medicine, bombing hospitals, medical vehicles, murdering journalists, that war zone?
Right. The war zone that came into being immediately after Oct. 7. The one created by Hamas.
 
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