10,000 Dead for Nothing. Just Revenge and to Create Homelessness. Hoping to Force the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians.
Israel at war
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What donyou think will happen to Israel when the majority you're talking about has their way in a "democracy"? What do you think will happen to the jews? The talking points here are simply "75 years of oppression and occupation where in reality, it goes beyond 75 years that jews were the receiving end of that claim.
Is your argument that Israel attacking Gaza for 17 years, with bombs and blockade has made them so angry you don't think they can live peacefully with Israelis so you need to keep dropping more bombs on them?
That's pretty fucked up.
Just stop dropping bombs on civlians.
Stop the genocide.
Unsurprisingly, this attack on Gaza has increased hate crimes on Muslims, Palestinians and Jews.
If you want them to stop, call for a ceasefire.
“We’re all feeling this atmosphere of fear and danger”: War fuels rising attacks on Jews and Muslims
Law enforcement and advocacy groups fear growing threats from “violent extremists and lone offenders”
Evidence of genocide:
Destroying the largest water reservoir.
Israel has destroyed all the universities in Gaza.
Destroying solar panels on bakeries and hospitals.
Destroying the largest water reservoir.
Israel has destroyed all the universities in Gaza.
Destroying solar panels on bakeries and hospitals.
Of course, there is no connection between this and the refrain From the River to the Sea We Will Be Free.
Your post is way too much for me to respond to, aside from noting that what you claim are my rhetorical "riddles" were actually genuine informational questions.
But let me concentrate on one salient point. NO COUNTRY is going to let a terrorist organization which just attacked it get away with keeping the hostages and repeating the action next week. When 9/11 happened, the US essentially trashed the Middle East for the next decade and did much dumb stuff. Israel is far more focused.
Not responding with overwhelming force to a terrorist attack will be perceived as weak and will achieve nothing. HAMAS will simply repeat the attack next month, by which time Natanyahu would be out of power and probably assassinated by Israelis. You cannot negotiate or "play nice" with terrorists; you have to destroy them.
And if they render that difficult by using human shields, you cannot let that deter your operations. Because it is far too easy for HAMAS to commit its own war crimes and then claim immunity under international law by setting up its HQ in a hospital and surrounding itself with 100's of civilians.
While I understand the war crime / proportionality argument, it is very easy to "create" an inevitable war crime simply by doing exactly what HAMAS is doing. And that's my necessity argument. I'm sorry I put it in quotes and confused you. Necessity is a legal argument where one chooses the lesser of 2 evils. I added "dire" for flourish.
HAMAS could attack Israel every week from now to eternity - or as long as it has Iranian rockets to fire. Clearly the game has changed radically and suddenly in the ME. Israel has a right of self defence.
“We can’t have a 5 day ceasefire and save the hostages because we have to keep bombing to save the hostages “
Hamas outwits Israel again.
Hamas outwits Israel again.
Hamas offered to trade hostages weeks ago.
Israel is now a terrorist country through targeting civilians.
That logic now fails.
The IRA were not defeated through killing them but through negotiations.
Netanyahu deserves to rot for the rest of his life in jail as war criminal.
Again, if you argue that you should do what Hamas does then you argue that you are a terrorist too.
The lesser of two evils is to ceasefire and end apartheid.
Not genocide and terrorism.
No, the UN has specifically stated that Israel, as an occupying power, does not have the right to self defence. That is a faulty legal argument, aren't you a lawyer?
This cycle of violence has been going on too long with too many innocent civilians killed on both sides.
End the cycle.
End the occupation and end apartheid.
You accept IDF propaganda and now defend terrorist attacks on hospitals.
everytime you gaslight and lie about my post i will pull up up your racist, anti-semitic and terror supporting posts
likes to call immigrant women in Canada mail order brides
quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization
quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers
franky again quoting from btselem who hires holocaust deniers using the anti-semitic term "Jewish Supremacy
racist towards me saying blacks cannot defend israel ignoeing the fact that over 180,000 black people reside in israel which includes 25,000
black americans. quoting jewish voice for peace that supports terrorism and was busted citing neo nazi and white supremacists websites
claiming that black persons cannot support Israel that have over 180,000 black people living there
justifying terrorists attacks against israeli and jewish civilians
supports the anti-jewish vandalizing of a business owned by a Jewish man and making excuses for it
promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.
apologist for hamas the terror group
defending the PLFP terror group
refuses to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes commited by anti-jewish gangs
refuses to condemn the anti-semitic attacks on jewish shoppers at a supermaket in Thornhill, Ontario Canada.
franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organzations for anti-semitic purposes
more anti-black racism
supports and defend anti-semitic actions at the University of Wisconsin
franky butturt at the definition of anti-semitism because he is one
franky defends a terrorist that was killed in a shootout with the IDF
defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists
defending an anti-semitic terror supporting rally
defending a terrorist attack against a security guard(security guards are civilians)
still refuses to condemn hamas
post anti-black racism to deflect rom his support for terrorists and anti-jewish hate crimes
justified the murder of a security guard
franky resorts to slander defending the Fatah organization who admitted that they are a terrorist organization
continue to lie and slander
still lying and slander
still defending hamas
franky saying the intafada(terrorism and against israelis and jews) is resistance
defending a voilent anti-semitic organization "Within our lifetime"
defending hamas again
defending Rabab Abdulhadi, a San Francisco State University associate professor with a history of expressing support for terrorist groups
defending PFLP Terrorist organization
defending the Fatah organization that recently called for terrorist attacks against Israel
Franky defending the terrorists that were killed after shooting at the IDF
Franky defending an anti-jewish hate crime vandalism
citing an anti-semitic, terrorist supporter Sana Saeed
defending terrorist organzation calling themselves the lions den
refusing to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes in New York
Justifying the murder of civilians
franky supports the right of palestinians to commit terrorism against jews and israelis
justifying the killing of Israeli Civilians
franky's continued justification for terrorist attacks
promoting a youtube channel that promotes holocaust denialism, anti-semitic claims of jewish control, the khazaria myth, and terror apologism
franky used an anti-semitic term "Jewish Supremacy" which is used by white supremacists, neo nazis and other anti-jewish types to demonize jews
refusing to condemn an antisemitic grafiti on a Barcelona synagogue
which means he defend hate crime vandalism of synagogues
still refusing to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes in Barcelona and instead post content from CJPME An anti-jewish organization whose members
defaced products in a Jewish Store and claim jews are more loyal to Israel than Canada
evidence of CJPME inciting anti-jewish hate
franky defending terrorists in gaza launching rockets at civilians which are terrorism and war crimes
franky refuse to coondment anti-jewish hate crimes in an Australian University and instead linke to a hamas linked website
Franky refuse to condemn Hezbollah thugs who blasted a Hezebollah song at a Jewish School and instead resort to gaslighting
franky says terrorist supporters targetting jewish children with terrorist music is free speech
franky posting an image promoting terrorism and ethnic cleansing of Jews
franky defends terrorists shooting at a mother driving her kids
franky continues to justify terrorism against civilians driving cars with israeli plates and calling a 15 year old child a militant
franky calling civilian Jews terrorists
supports hamas for launching teror attacks asnd kidnappings on Israelis in october 2023
franky defends the anti-jewish intimidation of a jewish owned restaurant claiming they have ties to the IDF
refuse to condmen death threats against a Jewish Doctor in Mississuagua
franky continues to defend hamas claiming they don't post a threat to Israel
refusing to condemn an anti-jewish hate crime against a jewish store and owner constantly deflecting
franky refusing to condemn anto-jewish hate crimes against a jewish owned store sinking to new lows claiming a poster of israelis kidnapped by Hamas is Israeli slaughter in Gaza
defends anti-jewish graffitti on a Jewish community centre in the Bronx
You already admitted that all your accusations are bullshit.
Now you're just trolling because you have no answer to accusations you are defending terrorism.
Every Israel supporter should read letters like these.
Dear President Biden,
On Thursday morning, October 26, I woke up to the news of yet another massacre in Gaza.
This time, Israel killed members of my own extended family. The crime scene was Khan Younis refugee camp in the southern part of the Gaza Strip – note, not in the north, but the south, where people were supposed to be safe, according to the Israeli army. An entire residential quarter of the camp where I was born and raised was ruthlessly bombarded and reduced to rubble by apartheid Israel.
People there experienced it as an earthquake. A brutal, man-made earthquake. It ended the journey on earth for 47 souls who have now returned to God. Of them, 36 were direct family and the remainder were people taking shelter in their homes, seeking illusory safety.
Mr Biden, two and a half years ago in a speech at the White House on the occasion of the conviction in the George Floyd trial, you spoke about the common purpose of people who rose up to say that Black Lives Matter, people who cried: “Enough. Enough. Enough of these senseless killings.”
But today, as members of my family are murdered, you refuse to even acknowledge that these senseless killings are happening. Instead, you offer words of encouragement to Israel. Today you say: “More. More. More of these senseless killings.”
And Israel is happy to grant your wish.
When a member of their community is mercilessly killed by the American militarised police forces, Black Americans honour their victims by saying their names out loud. As the Israeli forces – who are kindred in spirit and in arms to their American counterparts – kill my people now, I also want to honour them by saying their names.
Today, Mr Biden, we mourn the loss of my granduncle Nayif Abu Shammala, aged 79, alongside his wife, Fathiya, 76 – both survivors of the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that took place in 1948 to make way for the creation of Israel.
Their village, Beit Daras, about 30km (nearly 20 miles) north of Gaza, was ethnically cleansed and destroyed along with 530 other Palestinian towns and villages. Fathiya and Nayif, like many of the 750,000 refugees of the Nakba, sought refuge in Khan Younis refugee camp, which was supposed to be only temporary until their return home.
Nayif and Fathiya are no longer with us, Mr Biden. They died before they could exercise their UN-guaranteed right to return to their land.
Among the victims of the bombardment were also their three daughters: Aisha, the cutest, most cheerful face in Khan Younis; her sister Dawlat, one of the most beautiful women in my family who had just come back from the United Arab Emirates to visit her family; and Umaima, the youngest sister, along with her daughter Malak. They came to the family home seeking shelter from the constant bombardment.
Four of Nayif and Fathiya’s sons were also killed: Hassan, Mahmoud, Mohammed and Zuhair along with their wives, Fadia, Nima and Easha. Zuhair’s wife survived only because she had gone to another family in the camp to offer condolences for their dead. Among the murdered were also Hassan’s three children: Mohammed, Ismail, and Salma. Nayif and Fatiya’s surviving son, Ibrahim, lost his eldest son, Nayif, named after his grandfather.
Members of the Qedeih family and Allaham family who had also sought shelter in my granduncle’s house were also killed.
As if this was not enough, Mr Biden, the home of my grandaunt was also bombed. Her name was Um Said. She was 92 years old, a survivor of the Nakba, also hailing from Beit Daras.
She lived in her home in Khan Younis with her daughter Najat. Both now find their resting place under the rubble. People tried to pull their bodies out but could not. The adjacent homes of her two sons, Marwan and Asaad, and her daughter Muna were also bombed.
Marwan survived but his wife, Suhaila, and four children – Mohammed, Mahmoud, Aya and Shahd – were killed. Muna also died along with her two sons, Amjad and Mohammed. Asaad; his wife, Imtiyaz; and his son Abdelrahman, a fourth-year medical student, are also gone.
Asaad’s home was wiped out along with his small grocery shop. This was a favourite place for my own son, Aziz, to visit when we would go back to visit our homeland. Asaad was known throughout Khan Younis camp as a gentle soul who sold goods for little money. He kept a thick ledger but often forgot to collect the debts and simply forgave them. Today, Asaad’s beautiful smile, his kindness, his family and his shop have all been taken from us.
When the bombing occurred, many relatives and neighbours were in Asaad’s shop to buy necessities and use its solar energy unit, which he had bought to help people charge their phones and batteries for free. Among the murdered are also Akram, Riman, Beirut, Imad, Niema and others whose names I cannot recall.
Mr Biden, do you believe that the pain of an Israeli mother hurts more than the pain of a Palestinian mother? Is the life of an Israeli child more valuable than the life of a Palestinian child? This is the only explanation that I can find for what you are doing now – encouraging the mass killing of children in Gaza.
When I speak of children, I am referring to real, human children with their own unique faces, names, laughter and dreams. Israel has taken the lives of more than 4,000 children, including babies, with your complicity, Mr Biden; 4,000 beautiful souls have been taken from us.
Among them is my sister’s granddaughter, Julia Abu Hussein, who was just three years old. My nephew Amjad and his wife Rawan took Julia along with my sister Samia’s family to Khan Younis in search of safety. It took them three days to make the journey from their home in the north of Gaza – a trip that would normally take less than 30 minutes. They listened to the Israeli army’s calls to evacuate. But they found no safety.
When the bombardment began, Rawan took Julia into her arms and rushed to the kitchen with the rest of the family. The sheer force of the Israeli bombs damaged our home and shattered the windows. Several pieces of shrapnel got into the house through the broken windows, killing Julia in her mother’s arms and badly injuring her aunt Nagham.
So, Mr Biden, here is a child whose life was taken by the violence of the war machine you wholeheartedly support. Can you imagine that? Can you truly comprehend the magnitude of this and other tragedies? Or are you still intent on questioning whether Israel is guilty of the mass killing of Palestinians?
As I hear of relatives and friends killed every day in Gaza, I struggle to find new ways of describing death – gone, taken, under the rubble, their souls in heaven. Meanwhile, the media is telling me that they either are not dead or that they are dead, but they are terrorists.
Last summer when I visited Gaza, Um Said kindly gave me her embroidered dress. She insisted that I take it back to Canada with me. I am grateful that I did. Today, Um Said also remains under the rubble of her home. Her embroidered dress is all that I have left to remember her by.
Mr Biden, when the history of what is going on today is written, I am confident that you will go down in it as the man who encouraged and enabled the Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people. You will be remembered as a man whose government actively partook in war crimes.
But more importantly, Mr President, as a man who professes his faith in God, what do you say to Him in your prayers to justify the blood on your hands?
Dear President Biden,
On Thursday morning, October 26, I woke up to the news of yet another massacre in Gaza.
This time, Israel killed members of my own extended family. The crime scene was Khan Younis refugee camp in the southern part of the Gaza Strip – note, not in the north, but the south, where people were supposed to be safe, according to the Israeli army. An entire residential quarter of the camp where I was born and raised was ruthlessly bombarded and reduced to rubble by apartheid Israel.
People there experienced it as an earthquake. A brutal, man-made earthquake. It ended the journey on earth for 47 souls who have now returned to God. Of them, 36 were direct family and the remainder were people taking shelter in their homes, seeking illusory safety.
Mr Biden, two and a half years ago in a speech at the White House on the occasion of the conviction in the George Floyd trial, you spoke about the common purpose of people who rose up to say that Black Lives Matter, people who cried: “Enough. Enough. Enough of these senseless killings.”
But today, as members of my family are murdered, you refuse to even acknowledge that these senseless killings are happening. Instead, you offer words of encouragement to Israel. Today you say: “More. More. More of these senseless killings.”
And Israel is happy to grant your wish.
When a member of their community is mercilessly killed by the American militarised police forces, Black Americans honour their victims by saying their names out loud. As the Israeli forces – who are kindred in spirit and in arms to their American counterparts – kill my people now, I also want to honour them by saying their names.
Today, Mr Biden, we mourn the loss of my granduncle Nayif Abu Shammala, aged 79, alongside his wife, Fathiya, 76 – both survivors of the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine that took place in 1948 to make way for the creation of Israel.
Their village, Beit Daras, about 30km (nearly 20 miles) north of Gaza, was ethnically cleansed and destroyed along with 530 other Palestinian towns and villages. Fathiya and Nayif, like many of the 750,000 refugees of the Nakba, sought refuge in Khan Younis refugee camp, which was supposed to be only temporary until their return home.
Nayif and Fathiya are no longer with us, Mr Biden. They died before they could exercise their UN-guaranteed right to return to their land.
Among the victims of the bombardment were also their three daughters: Aisha, the cutest, most cheerful face in Khan Younis; her sister Dawlat, one of the most beautiful women in my family who had just come back from the United Arab Emirates to visit her family; and Umaima, the youngest sister, along with her daughter Malak. They came to the family home seeking shelter from the constant bombardment.
Four of Nayif and Fathiya’s sons were also killed: Hassan, Mahmoud, Mohammed and Zuhair along with their wives, Fadia, Nima and Easha. Zuhair’s wife survived only because she had gone to another family in the camp to offer condolences for their dead. Among the murdered were also Hassan’s three children: Mohammed, Ismail, and Salma. Nayif and Fatiya’s surviving son, Ibrahim, lost his eldest son, Nayif, named after his grandfather.
Members of the Qedeih family and Allaham family who had also sought shelter in my granduncle’s house were also killed.
As if this was not enough, Mr Biden, the home of my grandaunt was also bombed. Her name was Um Said. She was 92 years old, a survivor of the Nakba, also hailing from Beit Daras.
She lived in her home in Khan Younis with her daughter Najat. Both now find their resting place under the rubble. People tried to pull their bodies out but could not. The adjacent homes of her two sons, Marwan and Asaad, and her daughter Muna were also bombed.
Marwan survived but his wife, Suhaila, and four children – Mohammed, Mahmoud, Aya and Shahd – were killed. Muna also died along with her two sons, Amjad and Mohammed. Asaad; his wife, Imtiyaz; and his son Abdelrahman, a fourth-year medical student, are also gone.
Asaad’s home was wiped out along with his small grocery shop. This was a favourite place for my own son, Aziz, to visit when we would go back to visit our homeland. Asaad was known throughout Khan Younis camp as a gentle soul who sold goods for little money. He kept a thick ledger but often forgot to collect the debts and simply forgave them. Today, Asaad’s beautiful smile, his kindness, his family and his shop have all been taken from us.
When the bombing occurred, many relatives and neighbours were in Asaad’s shop to buy necessities and use its solar energy unit, which he had bought to help people charge their phones and batteries for free. Among the murdered are also Akram, Riman, Beirut, Imad, Niema and others whose names I cannot recall.
Mr Biden, do you believe that the pain of an Israeli mother hurts more than the pain of a Palestinian mother? Is the life of an Israeli child more valuable than the life of a Palestinian child? This is the only explanation that I can find for what you are doing now – encouraging the mass killing of children in Gaza.
When I speak of children, I am referring to real, human children with their own unique faces, names, laughter and dreams. Israel has taken the lives of more than 4,000 children, including babies, with your complicity, Mr Biden; 4,000 beautiful souls have been taken from us.
Among them is my sister’s granddaughter, Julia Abu Hussein, who was just three years old. My nephew Amjad and his wife Rawan took Julia along with my sister Samia’s family to Khan Younis in search of safety. It took them three days to make the journey from their home in the north of Gaza – a trip that would normally take less than 30 minutes. They listened to the Israeli army’s calls to evacuate. But they found no safety.
When the bombardment began, Rawan took Julia into her arms and rushed to the kitchen with the rest of the family. The sheer force of the Israeli bombs damaged our home and shattered the windows. Several pieces of shrapnel got into the house through the broken windows, killing Julia in her mother’s arms and badly injuring her aunt Nagham.
So, Mr Biden, here is a child whose life was taken by the violence of the war machine you wholeheartedly support. Can you imagine that? Can you truly comprehend the magnitude of this and other tragedies? Or are you still intent on questioning whether Israel is guilty of the mass killing of Palestinians?
As I hear of relatives and friends killed every day in Gaza, I struggle to find new ways of describing death – gone, taken, under the rubble, their souls in heaven. Meanwhile, the media is telling me that they either are not dead or that they are dead, but they are terrorists.
Last summer when I visited Gaza, Um Said kindly gave me her embroidered dress. She insisted that I take it back to Canada with me. I am grateful that I did. Today, Um Said also remains under the rubble of her home. Her embroidered dress is all that I have left to remember her by.
Mr Biden, when the history of what is going on today is written, I am confident that you will go down in it as the man who encouraged and enabled the Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people. You will be remembered as a man whose government actively partook in war crimes.
But more importantly, Mr President, as a man who professes his faith in God, what do you say to Him in your prayers to justify the blood on your hands?
You're saying you asked a very specific question about whether the UN got involved in a specific conflict between two specific parties during a specific decade because you didn't know if they did and couldn't find it on Google and just wanted to know if they did and not because you were going to make a point about it?
That's your example to justify this? Estimates are that 4.5 million people died in the various conflicts in the wake of 9/11. Has the threat of Islamic terrorism been eliminated? Nope. Has it been reduced? Nope. In fact, there are now more Islamic terror groups and they're bigger.
I'm not sure I'd say Israel is more focused. They're certainly killing civilians in larger numbers. The Americans at least pretend many of their attacks were unintentional or that intelligence was different from reality and in cases where they couldn't, they presented evidence of proportionality.
So the same. Kill no one and achieve nothing, or kill 4.5 million people and achieve nothing. Why pick the death? What's the gain? To not look weak? Is image that important?
Who cares if you look weak? Unless you are. That's straight from Sun Tzu. Then it's a problem. But as we saw then and were seeing now, nether is weak. So who cares?
First off, sending in police and special forces, as I've suggested, is not "playing nice". Secondly, you can't destroy them. They will always be there. So if the goal is to destroy them you're going to fail.
Special forces could meet the conditions of the Conventions and minimize the loss of civilian lives. The will always be some collateral damage, but surgical raids by social forces have the chance to meet the humanitarian responsibilities where bombing a hospital does not.
I think you'd have a hard time arguing for murder as a necessity in any court of law in a situation like this. If your neighbor kills your wife, you killing his entire family, buying down his house and the houses of everyone who is nice to him in retaliation is far more likely to merit the insanity defense then the necessity one.
Even if you're example of forced deportation. I can all guarantee the Hague will not buy the argument of "military necessity" to deport an entire ethnic group from it's home.
"As long as it has Iranian rockets to fire." Precisely. So you're setting up for war with Iran next? Same argument? Bomb hospitals and schools and neighborhoods? And if Syria and Lebanon start, them next? Maybe go after Russia for good measure?
I agree with the assessment about Iran. I covered that when I laid out my case. The lynchpin is doing something about weapons from Iran. For that Israel needs international support. For that it needs to not have the illegal occupations/blockades/settlements thrown in its face.
A reminder that most of those Israel are killing are already refugees who were ethnically cleansed from their homes in Palestine.
