Israel at war

[shack]

It is a UN refugee camp.

It's kind of odd that those are mostly permanent structures that the refugees are living in. Don't they normally live in tents?

 

[toguy5252]

Who is supporting Hamas and terrorism?

I always say Hamas needs to be taken out. And I even supported the military action for 2.5 weeks. But not now, seeing how they are ineffective and are just clearly indiscriminately bombing the place and killing civilians. 10,000+ people dead in 4 weeks!

So you need to call out Israel too. And not downplay their war crimes or racism is my point.

your truly lame attempts to appear even handed are really quite silly and transparentBut nice try.

 

[shack]

Yes. That is not an excuse. That is reality. Disempowered and powerless people will not rise up.

France and Russia disprove that claim.

Peasants, workers, and soldiers finally rose:

All were disempowered.

And Hamas soldiers are not powerless, same as Russian soldiers. Soldiers that recognized the evils of their government.

 

[Butler1000]

Translation : I don’t have a clue so I‘ll try to wing it with nonsensical bluster.

Lol. In a month you will be bleating about the new DMZ, massacres of innocent fighters, and how terrible it is.

 

[shack]

Yeah, they probably just lit the baby on fire.

I guess that's why Hamas needs to steal the fuel that is meant as international aid for the people.

 

[Butler1000]

I just ignore Butt-ler1000. He is TERB's self styled realist who just advocates for carpet bombings and war crimes because it is just so realistic bro!

And so far my thoughts continue to be correct. The IDF has moved in and there will be a New DMZ once the rats are cleaned out. Right now the wild card is the West Bank. I can say I don't know how that will go at this point.

 

[shack]

Sounds like Israel is self selecting to be made an example of.

What a choice.

Allowing yourself to be made an example of or allowing Hamas to kill as many of your civilians as they can.

Anybody with any intelligence knows what they would choose.

In this case, I need to ask you which you'd choose.

 

[shack]

I was just telling my neighbour this. They have cheapened antisemitism and the holocaust with their stunts. Like the guy wearing the yellow star of David on his chest at the UN. lol.

Maybe because the UN never mentioned Oct. 7 in their declaration. The same way the slaughter of Jews by Hitler was opposed by no one.

It's a reminder that history can repeat itself.

BTW, what's so funny?

 

[mandrill]

Who is supporting Hamas and terrorism?

I always say Hamas needs to be taken out. And I even supported the military action for 2.5 weeks. But not now, seeing how they are ineffective and are just clearly indiscriminately bombing the place and killing civilians. 10,000+ people dead in 4 weeks!

So you need to call out Israel too. And not downplay their war crimes or racism is my point.

WTF did you think the military operation was going to be like?

A Sylvester Stallone war movie. This is how it always is!

 

[Frankfooter]

Math lesson. Any multiple times zero is still zero.

All you do is dance around the topic. Saying I condemn both sides is not a condemnation of Oct. 7.
When I ask what specific acts you condemn, you turtle.

What acts did Hamas commit to go to the Hague for? Oct. 7?

I've answered multiple times but you seem to think I'm missing something.
So go ahead and list them.
Did they bomb a hospital? Oh wait, you say that's fine.
Did they kill babies? Oh wait, that's ok when Israel does it so it must be fine?
Did they not pay for parking? Oh wait, they don't have any military vehicles.

What war crimes do you think they've done that I haven't denounced loudly enough for you 5 times today?

I never said that, and I never would.

Please provide the quote where I said that "I support genocide."

I have posted multiple reports and evidence of genocide. Including the stats on close to 4000 children being killed by Israel.
Its genocide.
You refuse to denounce genocide, targeting civilians or even killing children.
Your support is in your refusal to criticize.

That is how you support genocide.

I'll post a video and you'll refuse to say that it was wrong to kill this child.
You'll probably then do a little dance of joy and then post something about oct 7 again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720230943590334464

 

[Frankfooter]

mince again trying to creat an equivancy between a settler criminal and the official policy of a government. If you are trying to sink to the level of gryphon and Frankie you are succeeding. Congratulations

Settler attacks are government policy.
The attack with the backing of the IDF and the only arrests as a result are Palestinians who resist.

Read the Israeli reports on it, or pretend its not happening and yell Hamas over and over again.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates_list

 

[Robert Mugabe]

WTF did you think the military operation was going to be like?

A Sylvester Stallone war movie. This is how it always is!

To achieve what? win hearts and minds? Would be interesting to see statistics of how many of the guilty had died compared to how many innocents. Tactics seem pretty indiscriminate. But there again. I'm no military expert.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Isn't she Lebanese?

Yes, but she's been very vocal in her support for Hamas

 

[toguy5252]

I am not trying to create equivalency. I am saying there IS equivalency in that they are terrorist attacks. What is a terrorist attack? It is attacking unsuspecting civilians for political, religious, ethnic or any other reason. I said this much earlier in this thread too, that the settler attacks amount to terrorism and that they deserve a bullet to the head, the same as Hamas.



"The Hamas are terrorists. We are not like those guys! How can you compare us!" - That is racist. You are being racist.

Watch this interview of a settler fully, its only a couple of minutes. You are being this guy right now.

You know who these guys remind me of? Hindu Nationalist extremists in India. Yeah, they are domestic terrorists, same as these guys, who attack and kill Muslims, the same as these guys do.

There is no equivalency. None. Your attempt to create one is just an attempt to justify barbarity.

 

[bver_hunter]

All of us knows that what Hamas did was wrong, in the killing of over a 1000 Israelis and foreigners who were celebrating in a festival. That was targeted and brutal including taking hostages.
However now the 9000 Palestinian Families including mainly women, children and elderly have lost their lives in what is practically being designated a genocide. Any other Israeli PM other than Netanyahu would never have proceeded in the manner that this present Government did. I watched some of the real time bombings on some networks and it was horrific. Not a surprise when this is the result:

Top UN official in New York steps down citing ‘genocide’ of Palestinian civilians
Craig Mokhiber, director of human rights body, accuses the US, UK and much of Europe as ‘wholly complicit in the horrific assault’

Top UN official in New York steps down citing ‘genocide’ of Palestinian civilians

Craig Mokhiber, director of human rights body, accuses the US, UK and much of Europe as ‘wholly complicit in the horrific assault’

www.theguardian.com

Also what most of the media are not revealing is that Many Jews around the world are condemning the type of retaliation by Israel:

Jewish activists arrested at US Congress anti-Israel protest amid Gaza war
Demonstrators from anti-war group Jewish Voice for Peace rallied against ‘Israel’s ongoing oppression of Palestinians’.

Jewish activists arrested at US Congress sit-in calling for Gaza ceasefire

Demonstrators from anti-war group Jewish Voice for Peace rallied against ‘Israel’s ongoing oppression of Palestinians’.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[toguy5252]

How? I have already acknowledged it as a terror attack and said that Hamas needs to be taken out.

Your attempt to deny equivalency, when there is, is just an attempt to justify barbarity and racism.

lol. Nice try.

 

[bver_hunter]

Jewish Voice for Peace

@jvplive
·
Oct 27

HNING NOW AT NYC'S GRAND CENTRAL STATION: THOUSANDS OF JEWS AND ALLIES HOLD AN EMERGENCY SIT-IN, DEMANDING A CEASEFIRE IN GAZA. WE'RE TAKING OVER THE GRAND CONCOURSE. WE'RE REFUSING TO ALLOW A GENOCIDE BE CARRIED OUT IN OUR NAMES. CEASEFIRE NOW! NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718030480459620604

 

[shack]

I am talking about the people, not Hamas. The people are disempowered.

So was I.

And that's how Hamas wants to keep them, disempowered. Citizens have no say in what happens in their own country and have no vote because there's no elections. Hamas has disempowered them.

I don't know. Its probably how they are portrayed on TV.

What does that even mean? Hamas are the ones taking the videos of the victims. Hamas is portraying them and they are always among the rubble of concrete buildings/residences. I don't see tents.

In each of those cases you mentioned, the French revolution and the Russian revolution, the people were oppressed by the state they were a part of.

In this case, this is about Israel, a foreign nation, oppressing a neighbouring people. So not the same things.

Hamas are an oppressive regime, have had no elections for close to 20 years, taking humanitarian aid meant for Gazans for themselves to build tunnels and buy weapons, and then using those weapons to trigger a war for which Gazans (who got their aid stolen) pay the price of suffering and death and that's because Hamas uses them as shields. Those have nothing to do with Israel. and everything to do with Hamas, the ruling entity. Israel are no more than pawns who've been played by Hamas and their terror attack to force a retaliation.

So the analogies are exactly the same. That's why that woman who lost her child blamed Hamas but was told to "shut up". She can see it.

I know you'd like to make it about Israel but Hamas is the oppressor. So we can all agree that the best solution would be if the Gazans raised up against their rulers, Hamas, just like the French and Russian peoples did.

 

[shack]

Its funny, because the guy used the yellow star of David, that Jews during the holocaust were supposed to wear. A nuclear weapons state, currently carpet bombing Gaza, acting like they are victims of the holocaust NOW. I get that he was trying to push a narrative of victimhood, but he went too far, and came across as clownish.

Your interpretation is twisted.

He is not claiming that Israel is a victim seeing as they are clearly kicking Hamas' collective terrorist asses.

He is reminding people of history. He is reminding people that the UN, by not calling out Hamas' terrorist attack of Oct. 7 that undeniably triggered Israel's retaliation and declaration of war, is repeating the history of the world's apathy toward Jews prior to and during the Holocaust.

But I'm pretty sure you knew all that when you were saying it was funny. NOT.

 

[toguy5252]

Saying non-racist things in other threads, and showing absolutely no empathy for Palestinian lives even after 10,000+ people, half of them children have died, exposes you toguy5252. You need to introspect.

Why don't we come to a mid ground agreement ?

Hamas are terrorists for attacking unsuspecting civilians. Setter extremists are terrorists for attacking unsuspecting civilians.

But Hamas are BETTER terrorists. Whereas settlers are domestic terrorists. Happy?

You have obviously not read my posts on this and other threads. Hamas are the de facto government of Gaza. The settlers are criminals and do not represent the government in any way. Hamas embeds itself in schools, hospitals, mosques and anywhere else there are crows if civilians including children.