I have some small familiarity with the IDF and Israeli policy and except in the case of demolishing terroist homes, which they believe has some deterrent effect (questionable in my view) they do not act in a punitive or reckless way. All of their strikes are targeted based upon intelligence. That is not to say that they do not make mistakes or that there is not collateral damage. If they did not care about Palestinian lives they would not have give the warnings to leave etc.
Israel at war
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Telling people to leave their home before you destroy it doesn't make destroying their homes less of a crime.
Targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime.
On the second page of your link:They were air-detonated so I don't think flatness would have had any bearing on it. I've never heard that myself, but if you have a source I'd love to read it. This is a summary of all the major points that went into the decision as far as I believe:
The Selection of the Target | The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Historical Documents | atomicarchive.com
The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by The Manhattan Engineer District, June 29, 1946. The Selection of the Target. Some of the most frequent queries concerning the atomic bombs are those dealing with the selection of the targets and the decision as to when the bombs would be used.www.atomicarchive.com
Even in more detail works I've read there was no indication of terrain being a big factor.
The city of Hiroshima is … almost entirely flat and only slightly above sea level; to the northwest and northeast of the city some hills rise to 700 feet. A single hill in the eastern part of the city proper about ½ mile long and 221 feet in height interrupted to some extent the spreading of the blast damage; otherwise the city was fully exposed to the bomb
Sure resisting so their next step was attack a festival full of civilians who had nothing to do with their conflict and now civilians from both side suffer because of their stupidity....no surprise you support those actions.
That was incredibly raw. That emotion can’t be faked. I did not know that the Israeli government has lost all legitimacy in the eyes of many of its citizens. This is a country with horrendously deep problems. Many based on a diet of delusions they have been living on for far too long.
Nitnif there's legit evidence it was used by hamas.Telling people to leave their home before you destroy it doesn't make destroying their homes less of a crime.
Targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime.
The "2nd page" (which is page 8 if anyone else is looking for it) is a description of the city. It doesn't say that was a factor in selecting it as a target. In fact, in the description of Nagasaki it describes the mountain spur. Surely it's a massive failure in intelligence not noticing a mountain if flat terrain was a factor in picking the targets, no?
Edit: If you meant flat "helped", I'm not sure exactly what "interrupted to some extent" means but it doesn't sound overly committed to the idea that it was a big factor in the devastation and destruction caused.
We certainly do not agree on that.
Again, if I recall correctly, Nagasaki was a substitute target. So it was not ideal.
The fact that people are actually debating whether using nukes on Gaza would be a war crime or not is pretty fucked up.
Just saying.
But then again, I thought defending apartheid was pretty fucked up.
And I thought defending genocide even more so.
But this?
October 7th exposed hate does have a home within the left.
What videos? Your propaganda? I wouldn't waste my time.
I was talking about the difference between debating with someone disingenuous and fuelled by hate as opposed to having a civil conversation with a civilized person.
Oh, wait. Were the videos about kautilya and me. If not, the videos have absolutely zero to do with my point.
In which case, here's my post again:
shack said:
Especially when you project your hateful and spiteful way of thinking onto someone else.
It is a pleasure to discuss the topic with someone rational and willing to listen to someone else's point of view (kautilya) instead of gaslighting, twisting words and accusing others every single time of supporting genocide and apartheid for daring to see things differently than you.
I thanked kautilya for what I considered a mutually respectful, yet potentially delicate debate.
Instead you continue to prove my point that you instigate more nasty, dishonest and accusatory discussions than anybody else BY FAR.
YOU ARE A DETRIMENT TO TERB.
My point is that he's polite. You're boorish. All you do on TERB is incite acrimony.
Please try to stay on topic.
You do realize that edited videos to get a certain perspective are hardly representative of the population as a whole. Israel has racists and has systemic racism towards minority Arabs but that is hardly something unique to them.
Polling is far more representative and that shows far less of a problem. On the other hand,
Are you upset that people are allowed to criticize those that celebrate attacks on civilians?
