Israel at war
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Its quite clear that the leader of the IDF was referring to the people of Gaza, not just Hamas.
Probably the same thing they thought in 2008, 2012, 2014, 2018, 2021 and 2022.
That they were resisting the illegal occupation and illegal blockade.
CBC posted a quote from Hamas in the first few days saying that this time they were responding to a massive increase in settler terrorist attacks, more land theft and the storming of the Al Aqsa, which is pretty much what they responded to in 2021.
Israel has not held peace talks in a decade.
Its a 75 year old occupation.
That's the problem.
Mandela was listed as a terrorist.
The IRA were 'terrorists'.
There are other options to trying to kill the indigenous population.
The videos are posted.
Watch them.
No wonder Norman Finkelstein posted this.
“So” lots of people here with experience or expertise in different areas. How often do you listen to people with that in finance or economics?
What it does mean, is that they have insight, others don’t. If DM were an authority he’d be a top ranked general advising Israel. No different than if I knew everything, I’d own my own tropical island.
Wait and see how the ground offensive plays out imo. If there’s anything that might have relevance is how the US went after Al Qaida. They didn’t exactly play cat and mouse with special forces.
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Watch the videos and hear what he says.
This is what you have become.
I don't think your misread it, but maybe you missed the context of it. Or perhaps I wasn't clear about the context. But I'm happy to clarify.
That paragraph references the sections above it. Someone else has claimed that Israel was justified in purely punitive attacks. I didn't say their attacks were purely punitive, I merely said they weren't justified in carrying out purely punitive attacks. It was a response to someone else's comments, not a condemnation of my own.
I've called them war crimes, and I believe they are. I think it's possible they violate the non-reciprocity portion of the laws of armed conflict (meaning I think it's possible they are purely punitive), but I'm not sure. I am certain enough to satisfy myself, however, that the Israeli attacks would not meet the threshold of a proportional proportionality analysis to be justified and for that reason I call them war crimes. But whether they are purely punitive or whether Israel simply doesn't care about the Palestinian civilians I can't say. The ICC is looking into that and in generally I believe the ICC does an excellent job in investigations and manages to remain unbiased, so I'll happily accept whatever timing they reach if they declare the attacks didn't violate non-reciprocity.
Especially when you project your hateful and spiteful way of thinking onto someone else.
It is a pleasure to discuss the topic with someone rational and willing to listen to someone else's point of view (kautilya) instead of gaslighting, twisting words and accusing others every single time of supporting genocide and apartheid for daring to see things differently than you.
I thanked kautilya for what I considered a mutually respectful, yet potentially delicate debate.
Instead you continue to prove my point that you instigate more nasty, dishonest and accusatory discussions than anybody else BY FAR.
YOU ARE A DETRIMENT TO TERB.
Israel started off by cutting off all water, food and power to Gaza.
That's a war crime right there, that made it very clear that they had no problem with collective punishment or harming civilians.
The Israeli supporters love to use the word 'terrorist', or targeting civilians yet will never allow that word to be used to described Israelis when they target civilians.
The UN Secretary General is very clear in this interview on BBC.
They were air-detonated so I don't think flatness would have had any bearing on it. I've never heard that myself, but if you have a source I'd love to read it. This is a summary of all the major points that went into the decision as far as I believe:
The Selection of the Target | The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki | Historical Documents | atomicarchive.com
The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by The Manhattan Engineer District, June 29, 1946. The Selection of the Target. Some of the most frequent queries concerning the atomic bombs are those dealing with the selection of the targets and the decision as to when the bombs would be used.
www.atomicarchive.com
Even in more detail works I've read there was no indication of terrain being a big factor.
Why wouldn't you ask the same of Israel?
Ben Gurion warned that if Israel didn't settle for the two state solution they would be stuck with apartheid. Multiple Israeli PM's have warned the same.
So why has Israel not settled in 75 years and instead keeps trying to violently take more of Palestine?
What are they thinking?
Do you think their goals are really an ethnically cleansed, 'racially pure' Israel?
Is it apartheid?
I knew you would go on the attack once the videos were posted.
You can't call out Israeli military for such obviously racist and genocidal talk, so you have to yell at me instead.
You've spent 3 weeks demanding I answer a question that you finally admitted I answered 3 weeks ago and here you are again accusing me of being dishonest.
I'd say someone who defends killing 3457 children is more of a detriment to the board, if anyone asked.
Tonight in the West Bank, ethnic cleansing is happening in front of the world
I have some small familiarity with the IDF and Israeli policy and except in the case of demolishing terroist homes, which they believe has some deterrent effect (questionable in my view) they do not act in a punitive or reckless way. All of their strikes are targeted based upon intelligence. That is not to say that they do not make mistakes or that there is not collateral damage. If they did not care about Palestinian lives they would not have give the warnings to leave etc.
