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whynot888

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What Hamas did was fucked up but what Israel has been doing for the last 56 years is even more fucked up. I don't condone the protest that happen right after the sneak attack by Hamas but i do sympathize the palestinian people.
As long as there is Politics and Religon, there will never be peace.
 

shack

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I also posted several videos on another thread called the "Ask Project". Give it a watch. Those are street interviews by Corey Gil-Shuster, who is Canadian-Israeli, and teaches in Israel, in the area of Conflict Management. It gives you an idea of racism within Israel. Now the Palestinians are no slouches either. However, prevailing Israeli attitudes, combined with observed behaviours within my own friends circle, and videos of regular people I have watched online, definitely creates doubt on what Yoav Gallant was referring to. So it isn't as "clear" as you think it is, which is why there is an investigation that is ongoing.
So basically you are purporting to have the ability to read his mind based on your small sample size. What percentage of Israelis have that view? Any polls to reference or just your admittedly anecdotal evidence?

Even if he did mean the civilians, who had nothing to do with the attack and committed no sub-human atrocities so why should he mean them, do you think that he'd be stupid enough to call the civilians that in a public statement? Seriously?

I don't doubt that many Israelis have a bias against Palestinians, but to assume that bias is extreme enough to be calling them sub-human animals (I forget the exact wording) exists among the vast majority of Israelis such that you can readily assume the minister was referring to Palestinians and not simply Hamas (the perpetrators that the IDF says that they're going after) in itself is further example of an anti-Israeli bias.

Without scientific polling to back up your point about most Israelis considering Palestinians animals, then, as I said, you are claiming to have the ability to read minds because he most certainly did not say Palestinians. The Israeli government's (in who's capacity he is speaking for) official policy is going after and eliminating HAMAS. Not Palestinians. It is nothing more than conjecture on your part.
 

richaceg

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The Balfour declaration itself should not have happened because if you think about it, the Zionists back in the day, got a homeland for themselves through playing politics in Europe. Basically UK took land that did not belong to them (they were colonizers and therefore the lands they occupied were not theirs to dole out to someone else), and gave it to someone else that did not even live there, without consulting people who actually lived there and had been for centuries. So Israel does not have very many legitimate reasons to even exist, except for colonial politics of the 20th century. But this is ancient history now, and no longer relevant to ponder on, because reality is Israel exists today and the people there have their identities, families, homes, businesses and so on tied to that country. So it has now become legitimate because of time. Its similar to the USA or Canada. People here were colonizers of Native American land. But now these are legitimate countries, because enough time has passed.

But the land stealing I am referring to is since 1967. They have repeatedly built settlements, forced Palestinians out of their homes, and now what the Palestinians have left are a few enclaves that don't have territorial contiguity, where they don't have control of their lands, airspace, movement, rights or resources. An Israeli settler who attacks and burns a Palestinian home or a field, or kills a Palestinian is tried by Israeli civil and criminal law, while the Palestinians are tried per the military court system that falls short of international standards for the conduct of fair trials and administration of justice. I will stop here, but there is tons more on how the Israelis mistreat Palestinians. It is a horrendous existence for them. Just read up about apartheid in Israel and you will see. Here is an example:


PS: That first lady is so annoying though. Just speak your mind! I can see it in your eyes you feel its justified instead of beating about the bush! 😅
Wasn't I mentioning conflicts erupt occasionally? Israelis are no angels...do I support every action they make? fuck no....there's anger on both sides....probably why palestinians voted Hamas in....getting the false sense of secuity that they will be the Knights in shining armor the the palestinian plight...we can keep moving back and forth on the date but the mandate for 2 state is an eye opener for Israel to see who their neighbors are...the question here is why reject the peace offered? 1929, 1948, 1967 post war? Try living next door to the guy you know will slit your throat literally with every chance....
 

richaceg

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It is not just the Arabs who rejected peace. Israel also went back several times on its word to not build settlements and kept expanding. The mistake is on both sides.
It was a shit show on both sides and a lot of players involved as to why nothing fruitful came of it....
 
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Just as the United States would not agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or after the terrorist attack of 9/11. Israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities with Hamas after the horrific attacks of October 7th…The Bible says that there is a time for peace and a time for war. This is a time for war.”
 

shack

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Maybe I am missing it but I would love to see the Hamas leader sit down for a press conference and explain what was going on in their tiny minds when they decided to enact October 7th?
What did they think they would achieve?
Have they achieved it?
What did they think would happen?
Did it happen?
Did they really think it through and consider the possibility of the outcome?
When they launched a raid into Israel, did they prepare by making sure the hospitals food and water supplies would be ok?
Shine on you crazy Diamond....
Explain please.
I'm sure that frank will step forward and answer every single question.

NOT.

Aside from Crazy Diamond I asked them all.
 

shack

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This about 10 attacks a day.
You sound surprised.

You immediately knew that this would happen once Hamas launched the terrorist attack of Oct. 7 killing all those civilians.

You knew this would happen yet you continue to support that attack.

As such you are supporting the Israeli reprisal and the deaths of Gazans. That's a sick set of principles.
 

shack

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Read whose mind? Gallant? I am not reading his mind, but I am saying there is doubt as to what he, and by extension Israel is doing in Gaza.
We are fighting human animals" - not sure who he was referring to exactly - Hamas or the civilians there, but given my observation of Israeli attitudes towards the Palestinians in general, I am leaning towards interpreting this as collective punishment.
I agree your statement was not unequivocal, however, for the reasons I pointed out, the fact you suspect he was referring to Palestinians when it so very clear he was referring only to Hamas, I stand by what I said in my post.

And that includes how could he be so stupid as to call Palestinians animals in a public statement? He was repeating the official policy of the Israeli government which is to eradicate the sub-human animals of Hamas, who committed sub-human atrocities. It's unfathomable to think otherwise, except under certain circumstances.

There is zero doubt as to what he meant.
 
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