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Israel at war

Butler1000

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Very.
Your anti-Muslim hatred is there for everyone to see.
You just legitimized Israel's atrocities and war crimes based on Muslim inferiority.
Pure racist.
Pure Jewish supremacist.
At least you're more honest than most and shedding some light onto what's driving this horror show.
Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.
 

mellowjello

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Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.
Again, I appreciate your honesty, it says a lot.
 
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Frankfooter

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Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.
Can't hit the definition any clearer than that, can you?

 

mellowjello

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Does the answer to that question with way justify the massacre by Hamas?
That's not the point I'm making, but your question just goes to prove, you guys don't give a shit, it's only about you.
Does the answer to your question justify what Israel is doing in Gaza.
You just don't care but you expect everyone to care about you.
Every major human rights organization is condemning Israel for the worst crimes possible.
You just don't care.
Over 80% of Israeli Jews blame their government even with the pain of the massacre of their own people.
What's the matter with you?
 
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Butler1000

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Again, I appreciate your honesty, it says a lot.
No worries. If the Imams got together and did the equivalent of a Reformation, with a modern clean up of the Koran similar to what happened with the bible, renounced jihad, and even some of the other more onerous passages then I can see real engagement happening, along with peaceful coexistence. I have no issue with someone choosing to follow a peaceful belief system that supplies structure and ethical values to their lives.

But the one followed by the Sunni and Shiite majorities aint that. Its an aggressive and war promoting belief that encourages violence as a primary tool for both control and assimilation. And its beliefs are just completely incompatible with a Secular Democracy.
 

mellowjello

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No worries. If the Imams got together and did the equivalent of a Reformation, with a modern clean up of the Koran similar to what happened with the bible, renounced jihad, and even some of the other more onerous passages then I can see real engagement happening, along with peaceful coexistence. I have no issue with someone choosing to follow a peaceful belief system that supplies structure and ethical values to their lives.

But the one followed by the Sunni and Shiite majorities aint that. Its an aggressive and war promoting belief that encourages violence as a primary tool for both control and assimilation. And its beliefs are just completely incompatible with a Secular Democracy.
I heard you the first and second time.
 

shack

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I don't support violence.
If that is the case, condemn the terrorist of Oct. 7.

You site Al Aqsa, you site the bombing of the hospital, you site the "occupation" all specific incidents.

Now site the specific incident of Oct. 7 instead of talking in generalities.

You are the one who is afraid to back up their hollow claims. You sound like the repuglicans, the MAGAns, and trump the clown and Ford the grifter, the people who you speak out against. You are no better than they.
 

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That's not the point I'm making, but your question just goes to prove, you guys don't give a shit, it's only about you.
Does the answer to your question justify what Israel is doing in Gaza.
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Israel is justified in attacking Hamas. In fact they are bound to protect their civilians from terror attacks.

Are they justified in shutting down Gaza to do it? I don't know. With Hamas hiding in the civilian population, I have no idea how Israel's right to self defence is balanced with their duty to try and avoid civilian casualties.

I do know that there hasn't been a single other war in history where one side was expected to supply their enemies during the war.

Over 80% of Israeli Jews blame their government even with the pain of the massacre of their own people.
You're joining in Franky's stupid argument? Israelis blame their government for not being ready for Hamas' atrocities. Of course you don't want to admit to Hamas' culpability.
 
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toguy5252

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That's not the point I'm making, but your question just goes to prove, you guys don't give a shit, it's only about you.
Does the answer to your question justify what Israel is doing in Gaza.
You just don't care but you expect everyone to care about you.
Every major human rights organization is condemning Israel for the worst crimes possible.
You just don't care.
Over 80% of Israeli Jews blame their government even with the pain of the massacre of their own people.
What's the matter with you?
no my question has to do with usual tactic of diverting from the he real issue in order to attempt to create a moral equivalency or justification.

there is a lot to criticize Israeli policies in the WB and Gaza and the that is certainly a legitimate debate but regardless of one’s view in that debate nothing justifies the barbaric attack or creates any moral equivalency. It is the refusal to call out Hamas for the barbarians they are that is the the real issue,
 

mellowjello

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no my question has to do with usual tactic of diverting from the he real issue in order to attempt to create a moral equivalency or justification.

there is a lot to criticize Israeli policies in the WB and Gaza and the that is certainly a legitimate debate but regardless of one’s view in that debate nothing justifies the barbaric attack or creates any moral equivalency. It is the refusal to call out Hamas for the barbarians they are that is the the real issue,
Of course it's barbaric. You can't massacre people without being barbaric.
And Israel is barbaric for it's treatment of the Palestinians. But you won't call out Israel.
You can justify Israel's barbarism, but you want everyone to call out Hamas' barbarism.
There are few members in here that are reveling in and gloating about Israel's barbarism.
You want to see Hamas strictly as barbaric because it absolves Israel of all it's crimes.

You know how the mafia started, poor Sicilian peasants being abused and totally oppressed by the wealthy landowners and
feudal lords, with no recourse to justice. There were families and clans that secretly took on roles of protectors and exactors of justice
for the community (that's why mob orgs are called families).
Ultimately, these families started shaking down landlords and the wealthy, and eventually came to rule the communities.
The oppressor always creates the Frankenstein.
 
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Valcazar

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Holy Fuck! Right to the Hamas is justified taking hostages and starting this.
Just making things up I see?
What the fuck word one did I say about Hamas or about their actions being justified.

What exactly do you think is going to happen here? Peace?

Hamas will be lucky if they don't endup like the Tamil Tigers.
This is genuinely disappointing.
I don't hold you in much respect, it's true, but one of the reasons I would point out that Trump ran on the idea the US should commit more war crimes is that I thought "don't commit war crimes" was something you and I agree on.

But here you are saying Hamas is a far game target for any atrocity because you can't commit war crimes against them.

It's pretty fucking appalling.
 
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toguy5252

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Of course it's barbaric. You can't massacre people without being barbaric.
And Israel is barbaric for it's treatment of the Palestinians. But you won't call out Israel.
You can justify Israel's barbarism, but you want everyone to call out Hamas' barbarism.
There are few members in here that are reveling in and gloating about Israel's barbarism.
You want to see Hamas strictly as barbaric because it absolves Israel of all it's crimes.

You know how the mafia started, poor Sicilian peasants being abused and totally oppressed by the wealthy landowners and
feudal lords, with no recourse to justice. There were families and clans that secretly took on roles of protectors and exactors of justice
for the community (that's why mob orgs are called families).
Ultimately, these families started shaking down landlords and the wealthy, and eventually came to rule the communities.
The oppressor always creates the Frankenstein.
did you actually read my post.

i call out Hamas barbarism because it is barbaric. It has nothing at all to do with what you and others may consider barbaric or excusing anything that Israel may do or have done. Your attempt to try and connect or compare same is quite absurd and offensive.
 

Butler1000

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Just making things up I see?
What the fuck word one did I say about Hamas or about their actions being justified.



This is genuinely disappointing.
I don't hold you in much respect, it's true, but one of the reasons I would point out that Trump ran on the idea the US should commit more war crimes is that I thought "don't commit war crimes" was something you and I agree on.

But here you are saying Hamas is a far game target for any atrocity because you can't commit war crimes against them.

It's pretty fucking appalling.
If you believe in Human rights, Democracy, a secular society based on individial freedom, then you have to be willing to fight for it against people who don't

Middle East Muslim don't. They want a caliphate, and all Jews killed or driven out. Its really that simple. There isn't middle ground here. You are are just too scared to admit the truth.

The truth is, given an absolute choice, you would choose Israel. But what you can't fathom is we are at that choice with Hamas. You cling to the notion that because you are reasonable, they must be.

Islamist Hamas is not.
 
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