Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

basketcase

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Wait a second, so even in places where you say there is no apartheid you think Jews have to be armed all the time or they'd be killed?
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Because people like you keep trying to justify attacks on Jewish civilians?

Same reason why Jews were chased out of Hebron in the 30's and forced out of East Jerusalem by the guns of the Jordanian army.
 

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There is no occupation or apartheid..these are the Jewish lands for about 3000+ years. Was it occupied periodically
by different forces throughout history - yes. Does it mean that the Jews became occupant after coming back to their
land - absolutely No. If you would visit Israel at least once you would know better. Arabs live with Jews in the same
cities (without any prosecution), but you won't see any Jews living in Arab cities - cause it is a suicide mission, so your
claim about apartheid is quite funny
Obvious trolling but I'll add a few points.

There is an occupation but despite franky's claims, it is perfectly legal. The settlements are debateable but that can be settled by a negotiated peace.

Who's land it was 200 or 2000 years ago is irrelevant. The extremists on both sides need to realize that the people there now have a right to be there. The only problem is how to convince the leadership (and the rabid activists) that a negotiated solution agreed upon by the parties is the only way forward. That's why Canada and the UN endorse a negotiated Two State Peace.
 

basketcase

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Wrong again there.
The Right of Return is a universal right and the UN has stated it carries on down the generations, with kids and likely grandkids still listed as Palestinian refugees.
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Sadly the descendants of refugees aren't given status in their Arab host countries so they are a problem that needs to be dealt with but that does not mean they have a right to move to Israel.

More significantly, the last poll I saw said less that 10% of Palestinians refugees and people under UNRWA want to be Israel (not that you've ever shown the slightest interest in what Palestinians actually want).
 

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funny how those who cry apartheid are mostly outsiders...like Franky...but he can't even acknowledge that the ruling party in Gaza are considered terrorists...
 

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Interesting. Member since 2007 and only started posting after a well known member went away.
I was busy paying taxes to liberal government. So, if I didn't post too much it means what ? I have to ask
your permission now ? Oh, sorry bascetcase, may I post once in a while with your approval of course ?
 

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funny how those who cry apartheid are mostly outsiders...like Franky...but he can't even acknowledge that the ruling party in Gaza are considered terrorists...
exactly. they keep sending this far left sources and pictures of palestinians affected by violence. Jews affected by violence - who cares
 
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Obvious trolling but I'll add a few points.

There is an occupation but despite franky's claims, it is perfectly legal. The settlements are debateable but that can be settled by a negotiated peace.

Who's land it was 200 or 2000 years ago is irrelevant. The extremists on both sides need to realize that the people there now have a right to be there. The only problem is how to convince the leadership (and the rabid activists) that a negotiated solution agreed upon by the parties is the only way forward. That's why Canada and the UN endorse a negotiated Two State Peace.
Yeah, you are treasure of wisdom man. And I am a troll - nice to meet you. You see, the difference I lived there for 8 years
and I had seen things and experience sh$t you know very little about. Your knowledge based on whatever articles you get
on-line (appears as far-left mostly).
Please go ahead and share more of your deep knowledge on what happens in Israel and how to solve it 👏
 

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You keep saying it's apartheid so what does it mean that Israeli Arabs and East Jerusalem Arabs would rather be part of it than be part of a Palestinian state.
Your poll proves Israel is apartheid.
It shows that Palestinians in Jerusalem recognize that giving up their nationality cards to live as stateless refugees under a worse form of apartheid is a poor choice.

 

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Because people like you keep trying to justify attacks on Jewish civilians?
You have already stated that Palestinians are within their rights to defend themselves against settlers acting as militant 'terrorists'.
Now you're saying that's 'justifying attacks on Jewish civilians'?
Make up your mind.

Are those settlers attacking Palestinian civilians with the aid of the IDF 'civilians' , 'random Jews' or 'terrorists'?
I can't keep track of your waffling,.

Me, I say bring in the ICC and charge them all.
End apartheid, bring in equal rights.
 

richaceg

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Your poll proves Israel is apartheid.
It shows that Palestinians in Jerusalem recognize that giving up their nationality cards to live as stateless refugees under a worse form of apartheid is a poor choice.

you keep posting links of surveys and polls, protests from people outside of Israel or Gaza...have you been there? I have been to the middle east and my so has worked there for a few months...money is good but we have never felt so secluded in our lives...so before you try yelling apartheid maybe hop on a plane and do a tour....and try as a worker...Israel hasn't changed for decades, what exactly would ICC do now that they couldn't have done then?
 
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you keep posting links of surveys and polls, protests from people outside of Israel or Gaza...have you been there? I have been to the middle east and my so has worked there for a few months...money is good but we have never felt so secluded in our lives...so before you try yelling apartheid maybe hop on a plane and do a tour....and try as a worker...Israel hasn't changed for decades, what exactly would ICC do now that they couldn't have done then?
What, you think a trip to Gaza would make me fall in love with Israel?
Oh, wait, they wouldn't let anyone visit there, would they?

This must be the kind of thing you want everyone to do.
 

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What, you think a trip to Gaza would make me fall in love with Israel?
Oh, wait, they wouldn't let anyone visit there, would they?

This must be the kind of thing you want everyone to do.
That's what happens when a terrorist organization rules in a large geographic area - access in and out of this area is limited.
But I think, if you go you can get a permit to visit Gaza. Like tens of thousands of arabs get permit to cross to Israel for work
Is it an inconvenience ? Absolutely. But it is better than see your citizens blown to peaces if you won't exercise border control
 

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That's what happens when a terrorist organization rules in a large geographic area - access in and out of this area is limited.
So you're saying that access is limited because the ruling organization, Israel, are terrorists?
Yup, that's apartheid.
 

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You have already stated that Palestinians are within their rights to defend themselves against settlers acting as militant 'terrorists'.
Now you're saying that's 'justifying attacks on Jewish civilians'?
Make up your mind.

Are those settlers attacking Palestinian civilians with the aid of the IDF 'civilians' , 'random Jews' or 'terrorists'?
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Yes, when you claim attacks on random Jews are self defense because some other Jews do something bad, it is justification of terrorism. That's what the rights groups you pretend to respect say.

And I see you still refuse to actually admit that there is such a thing as Palestinians who commit terrorism without putting it in quotations marks. Sorry but Hamas, PIJ, PFLP and several other Palestinian factions are terrorist groups.
 

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Yes, when you claim attacks on random Jews are self defense because some other Jews do something bad, it is justification of terrorism. That's what the rights groups you pretend to respect say.

And I see you still refuse to actually admit that there is such a thing as Palestinians who commit terrorism without putting it in quotations marks. Sorry but Hamas, PIJ, PFLP and several other Palestinian factions are terrorist groups.
Nice inner monologue, basketcase.
But it has nothing to do with my views or anything else posted here, its just your rather strange fears.

I'm against violence by both sides and support the ICC coming in and investigating both sides based on reports from legit human rights organizations.
Why do you refuse to support having both sides obey the law and respect basic human rights?

Is it because you know that would mean sanctions for apartheid and war crime charges?
 

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And he completely ignores what Palestinian polls say unless they agree with him.
The way you ignore the fact that 45% of those living under Israeli rule say its apartheid?
And the way that HRW, B'tselem and the UN say Israel is apartheid?
 
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