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Report: 93% of Polled Arab Residents of Jerusalem Prefer Israeli Rule to Palestinian Authority

Frankfooter

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Slander of posting what you said. Sorry pal but you have spent the past week or two trying to claim that Jewish civilians in the West bank are really military targets.
That's slander, please retract this claim.
I would hate to have to take it up with the mods.
Once again, I have never said civilians are legitimate targets.

And yes, despite your fear mongering, the family that was evicted last week was because their house was illegally built on land zoned for public services and is slated to be for Palestinian kindergarten classes and a school for Palestinian special needs kids. Once again you prove you don't care about the lives of Palestinian people as long as you can bash Israel. Israel building infrastructure for them is one of the reasons why 93% of Palestinians in East Jerusalem want Israel to stay in charge.

p.s. Seems you don't care about what Amnesty and HRW say about Jewish civilians.
The occupation of Jerusalem is illegal and its not recognized as Israeli.
That is what is illegal here.
Claiming that an illegal occupation has the legal right to ethnically cleanse the local population because they enact 'laws' through military occupation is nonsense.,
Its a war crime and as such should be sent to the ICC for them to deal with.

Why would you defend this?
 

basketcase

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That's slander, please retract this claim.
I would hate to have to take it up with the mods.
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Please do so because you have been obsessively trying to claim that settlers shouldn't be considered civilians despite what your rights groups say.

This property was bought by the state from previous owners and is being used for a school for Palestinian special needs kids. You keep saying Israel is responsible for the welfare of the people but here you are complaining that Israel is looking out for the needs of the Palestinian residents.

BTW. You keep saying how important Palestinian self determination is so why are you not listening to the people in East Jerusalem, 93% of whom want to remain under Israeli control.
 

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This property was bought by the state from previous owners and is being used for a school for Palestinian special needs kids. You keep saying Israel is responsible for the welfare of the people but here you are complaining that Israel is looking out for the needs of the Palestinian residents.

BTW. You keep saying how important Palestinian self determination is so why are you not listening to the people in East Jerusalem, 93% of whom want to remain under Israeli control.
Nice spin.

I'll stick with Human Rights Watch and the Geneva Conventions.
By the way, how is this kindergarten going to happen how that Israeli settlers have claimed the land?

There is no recourse legally for Palestinians in Jerusalem, the police came in at 3.30 in the morning and arrested the residents of the house before they destroyed it.
Now there are settlers there.
They can't protest or they'll get arrested.

Israel won't let them protest online.

Instead, social media is filled with posts like yours, calling Palestinians 'terrorists'.
 

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That's slander, please retract this claim.
I would hate to have to take it up with the mods.
Once again, I have never said civilians are legitimate targets.



The occupation of Jerusalem is illegal and its not recognized as Israeli.
That is what is illegal here.
Claiming that an illegal occupation has the legal right to ethnically cleanse the local population because they enact 'laws' through military occupation is nonsense.,
Its a war crime and as such should be sent to the ICC for them to deal with.

Why would you defend this?
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. There is no occupation, but occupation of Jewish lands by illegal Arab immigrants starting 19/20th century
 

Frankfooter

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Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. There is no occupation, but occupation of Jewish lands by illegal Arab immigrants starting 19/20th century
Thanks for making my point so much clearly than I could, whitehill.

See what I mean, basketcase?
Whitehill is exactly what you're pushing.

Basketcase, you post here every day about 'terrorism' but the news shows this is the terrorism happening daily:
Yet you never seem to have a problem with this stuff, you post daily about Hamas events from years ago while ignoring this.
 

basketcase

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Nice spin.

I'll stick with Human Rights Watch and the Geneva Conventions.
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Yet you still keep claiming the Jews HRW and the GC define as civilians are in fact legitimate military targets. Your famous double standard.

Only one of us condemns terrorism from both militant Palestinian and militant Israelis. You won't even admit that Palestinians doing the exact same as those settler terrorists are committing acts of terrorism just like you keep trying to describe Hamas acts as "self defence".
 

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See what I mean, basketcase?
Whitehill is exactly what you're pushing.
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I have no problem condemning whitehill (or Cantaro, Gailasign, Zailbetter, AndyX) even though you consider him to be on "my" side. Morals should be consistent, not simply based on silly political partisanship.
 

basketcase

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And for all your talk about Palestinian rights, why are you so willing to ignore the rights of those 93% in East jerusalem?
 

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Yet you still keep claiming the people HRW and the GC define as Jewish civilians are in fact legitimate military targets. Your famous double standard.
There is no double standard, in fact you've posted that you agree with that settlers attacking Palestinians are committing 'terrorism' and are therefore militants and Palestinians in that case have a right to self defence. Are you calling yourself a liar now?

After all, the Israeli government today called out the latest acts of terrorism, which you say you are against.


Only one of us condemns terrorism from both militant Palestinian and militant Israelis.
Yes, that's me.
I'm the only one that supports taking those accused of 'terrorism', war crimes, crimes against humanity and apartheid to the ICC.
Only me,

You refuse to have both sides held to the law equally.
 

basketcase

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There is no double standard, in fact you've posted that you agree with that settlers attacking Palestinians are committing 'terrorism' and are therefore militants and Palestinians in that case have a right to self defence. Are you calling yourself a liar now?
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Wow. Amazing that you claim to support these rights groups while continuing to describe attacks on random Jews as self defense.


You do a good job of being a western elitist in ignoring that 93% of East Jerusalem Palestinians want to remain under Israeli control while complaining that Israel is daring to remove an illegally built home to make Palestinian kindergartens and a school for special needs Palestinian kids.
 

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Wow. Amazing that you claim to support these rights groups while continuing to describe attacks on random Jews as self defense.
That is slander, I have never said attacks on any civilians are justified.
Stop the slander please.


You do a good job of being a western elitist in ignoring that 93% of East Jerusalem Palestinians want to remain under Israeli control while complaining that Israel is daring to remove an illegally built home to make Palestinian kindergartens and a school for special needs Palestinian kids.
Your poll only showed that 93% of Palestinians in Jerusalem wouldn't give up the nationality cards to go live as stateless refugees under the corrupt P.A.
Just as your claim about kindergarten is shown to be nonsense as Jewish 'settlers' have already claimed the Palestinian land.

You are supporting apartheid and justifying ethnic cleansing.

 

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That is slander, I have never said attacks on any civilians are justified.
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Right. You just keep trying to argue Jewish civilians aren't really civilians and using the term "self defense" to describe when Palestinians attack Jews who were doing nothing offensive other than being a Jew in the West Bank.

And of course you knowingly lie about what the poll said just like you lie about the eviction to build Palestinian schools.

The actual wording of the poll
The poll conducted by the Shfa news outlet asked 1,200 Arab Jerusalemites — none of them Israeli citizens — regarding their preference for living under Israeli or Palestinian rule in the future.

1,116 of the respondents said they prefer for Israel to continue to rule Jerusalem.

As for the eviction, you post a picture showing the building was demolished while at the same time claiming Jews had occupied it. How dumb.
 
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Right. You just keep trying to argue Jewish civilians aren't really civilians and using the term "self defense" to describe when Palestinians attack Jews who were doing nothing offensive other than being a Jew in the West Bank.
You called Israeli settlers who attack Palestinians 'terrorists'. Now you're back to saying they are just 'civilians' again?
And that Palestinians don't have a right to self defence because they are 'civilians'?
Back to the same old apartheid arguments?

Even the ADL would call you out for this.

Are you still claiming they are 'civilians'?

And of course you knowingly lie about what the poll said just like you lie about the eviction to build Palestinian schools.
The actual wording of the poll
Only 5 people answered that they would prefer to carry the Palestinian Authority ID and that they are willing to give up their current ID

That's what your link says.
 

basketcase

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You called Israeli settlers who attack Palestinians 'terrorists'. Now you're back to saying they are just 'civilians' again?
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You really are getting desperate in your attempts to pretend all Jews are legitimate targets because a small number of them commit acts of terrorism. What was that term you've used before...collective punishment?

Pathetic as well that you see me calling out those settlers who commit terrorism and still try to pretend I'm justifying them. Seems you're projecting your own immoral double-standard to keep from having to admit there are some Palestinians who commit terrorism as well.
 

Frankfooter

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You really are getting desperate in your attempts to pretend all Jews are legitimate targets because a small number of them commit acts of terrorism. What was that term you've used before...collective punishment?
I mentioned that B'tselem reported 450 IDF backed settler attacks over the last 2 years that you identified as 'terrorism' and this is what you said:

Wow. Amazing that you claim to support these rights groups while continuing to describe attacks on random Jews as self defense.
So while you continue to conflate every Palestinian with Hamas and therefore 'terrorists' to justify attacks on them you say to even mention settler attacks you call 'terrorism' is to call all settlers 'targets'.
You even go so far as to call these settlers committing acts you call 'terrorism' as just 'random Jews'.

That is such a double standard, basketcase.
its a form of apartheid reasoning, where you have no problem labelling all Palestinians as targets based off Hamas' actions but say its a war crime to do the same with settlers acting as militants with the aid of the IDF in Palestine.

Its so clear you just use the word 'terrorist' to defend apartheid policies.
Its clearly not about any acts, its entirely race based.

The ICC needs to come in and investigate both sides based off human rights reports and charge them all.
Let them decide who are civilians and who are militants.
The world needs to support sanctions to end apartheid and the violence by both sides.
 

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And 1116 said they want Israel to remain in control of East Jerusalem. But sure, listen to 5 Palestinians as an excuse to ignore more than a thousand.
Can you not even read your own poll, basketcase?
Only 5 of 1116 (or whatever the total is) said they would give up their Israeli/Jerusalem nationality cards to live as stateless refugees.
Only 5 people answered that they would prefer to carry the Palestinian Authority ID and that they are willing to give up their current ID
 

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I mentioned that B'tselem reported ...
Again you pretend Jews are terrorists for throwing stones but Hamas are engaged in self defense. Why are you incapable of admitting there is such a thing as terrorism from a small number of Palestinians? Instead you try and call me racist for admitting there is terrorism on both sides. Puts to rest any of your claims of being pro-peace or for equal rights.

And your rights groups are 100% clear, Jews in the West Bank are still civilians even if some other Jews are violent. Gunning down Jews standing at a bus stop because they are jews or killing a tour guide in Jerusalem can in no way be described as self defense. Amazing that you try to pretend all Jews are terrorists while freaking out how evil I am for saying Hamas is a terrorist group.


Just a reminder this happens both ways.

Repeated incidents of Palestinian youth throwing stones at vehicles which happens commonly enough that the Israeli press doesn't often report on it unless major harm is caused.
 
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