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james t kirk

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well sure hope its cool if your 16 year old son passes out, from drinking too much and then gets raped by a buncha guys...
I wonder if it would even make it to court.

But yes, sadly, I would blame him for allowing himself to be in that situation, just as I would blame those who did it to him for taking advantage of the situation.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Being drunk out of your gourd is your own fault.

If I had a 16 year old son, I would try to teach him not to be in a situation where he lost all control.
 

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I wonder if it would even make it to court.

But yes, sadly, I would blame him for allowing himself to be in that situation, just as I would blame those who did it to him for taking advantage of the situation.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.
Sadly, without the support of loving parents he could turn to, you are right. It probably would not even make it to the police station, let alone a court house.

I am sorry James, but I can't say another time on this board in my over a decade here where I lost that much respect for a poster that quickly. I know my opinion holds no weight with some here, and you could be one of them. But I am truly shaking my head right now man.
 

james t kirk

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Sadly, without the support of loving parents he could turn to, you are right. It probably would not even make it to the police station, let alone a court house.

I am sorry James, but I can't say another time on this board in my over a decade here where I lost that much respect for a poster that quickly. I know my opinion holds no weight with some here, and you could be one of them. But I am truly shaking my head right now man.
Fortunately, I don't care what you think of me.
 

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I wonder if it would even make it to court.

But yes, sadly, I would blame him for allowing himself to be in that situation, just as I would blame those who did it to him for taking advantage of the situation.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Being drunk out of your gourd is your own fault.

If I had a 16 year old son, I would try to teach him not to be in a situation where he lost all control.

yes you should teach your kids not to be in bad situations and not pass out. but the people who take advantage of someone who is drunk or who pass out are completely to blame. anyone who takes advantage in such a situation should feel the full force of the law. its shameful.

I am disappointed that you would think about blaming your son in that situation.
 

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I guess that is good then for you. I suspected as much being as I have a pussy and all. I know, I am the bad guy here.

yes you should teach your kids not to be in bad situations and not pass out. but the people who take advantage of someone who is drunk or who pass out are completely to blame. anyone who takes advantage in such a situation should feel the full force of the law. its shameful.

I am disappointed that you would think about blaming your son in that situation.

Hopefully he doesn't care much of what you think either. You have a penis, so it might be different, but I doubt it.

Fortunately, he does not have a 16 year old of either sex.
 

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I guess that is good then for you. I suspected as much being as I have a pussy and all. I know, I am the bad guy here.



Hopefully he doesn't care much of what you think either. You have a penis, so it might be different, but I doubt it.

Fortunately, he does not have a 16 year old of either sex.
i have kids and grandkids so I get plenty upset just thinking that someone could do something like this or dismiss it.
 

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yes you should teach your kids not to be in bad situations and not pass out.
Agree, it's like crossing the street on a green light, please still look both ways to make sure nothing is coming at you.
but the people who take advantage of someone who is drunk or who pass out are completely to blame.
Agree again, should not place any blame on an abused helpless victim.
 

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Shouldn't the boys' parents have taught them its never okay to take advantage of helpless people?
 

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Agree, it's like crossing the street on a green light, please still look both ways to make sure nothing is coming at you. Agree again, should not place any blame on an abused helpless victim.
Exactly. You don't tell a child, well see I told you to look both ways. Now you have been hit by a car and have years of therapy ahead of you, you have been blasted all over the news. Told you so. Hopefully now you have learned your lesson.

Then say to the person who went speeding illegally through the intersection and hit the child. No worries man, it was her fault for not looking. You should not be speeding or running red lights, but the kids has some serious blame in this too.


Shouldn't the boys' parents have taught them its never okay to take advantage of helpless people?
You would think......
 

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yes you should teach your kids not to be in bad situations and not pass out. but the people who take advantage of someone who is drunk or who pass out are completely to blame. anyone who takes advantage in such a situation should feel the full force of the law. its shameful.

I am disappointed that you would think about blaming your son in that situation.
I agree that the guys in question were low lifes. Or at the very least, they made a very very bad decision. But they are 16 year old kids. Calling the hard core rapists is bullshit. And likewise labelling this young woman as a slut or anything idiotic like that is bullshit.

There was very bad decision making all round and these 2 young men are going to pay for their crimes and in my opinion the punishment that they received is just. I'm not one calling for them to receive 20 years on this, nor am I saying that they should have got off scot free.

But to respond to your other comment, yes, I would blame my son for putting himself in that situation where he was so irresponsible that he lost all control and was so drunk that he allowed something like that to happen. (Getting ass raped.) (Though this young woman was not penetrated by a penis, she was penetrated by fingers.)

Can't help how I feel.

I would blame the other males too, but I would also blame my son in part for his stupidity, and his inability to control his drinking and I would blame myself for failing to teach him not to drink himself to the point where he lost all control.


I've made bad choices over the years myself and I used to blame the other guy, but the truth is that the only one to blame is me. If another person has done wrong to me - it's because I allowed it to happen. That's not to say that the other guy wasn't a prick, but I should have been smarter. I have lived my life by this philosophy of self responsibility for over 20 years now and I find I am better for it.
 

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If those kids' parents had money, they probably could have made this whole thing go away, like Michael Jackson did with his "problem".
 

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I guess that is good then for you. I suspected as much being as I have a pussy and all. I know, I am the bad guy here.



Hopefully he doesn't care much of what you think either. You have a penis, so it might be different, but I doubt it.

Fortunately, he does not have a 16 year old of either sex.
do you hate him more than me ? i mean we are on the same side on this particular topic.
 

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I think it's pretty hard to know at 16 when too much is too much. Picture this, you have drank a few times in your life infrequently. Your tolerance is low but you're young and think you can take it. So you take a large swig (let us say 2.5 shots) of hard booze and chase it with some pop while with your friends. The taste in your mouth is gross but otherwise you're fine and you take another one within a few minutes. Now you're feeling good and have a beer or two. At this point you are over the line puking and passing out. Honestly you are going to blame this young person (a girl that for all we know weighs 105lbs) for her stupidity? Yeah they made a mistake but I still do not think the blame is on her. As well JTK unless you drink with your kids to the point where they are over the line how would they know where that line is? And if you do drink with your kids to the point where they are passed out drunk well I'm not sure what kind of parent that makes you.
 

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She is getting death threats now because of tweets she made and is in police protection.
 

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Chambermaid? I didn't know they still had those. No, I think she worked at the front desk of the hotel he was staying at.
 

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Just goes to show that if you have money like Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, O.J. Simpson, Ted Kennedy, etc. you can make these nasty "problems" go away.

On the subject of double standard, yes and no. The sad fact is that all or almost all rapists, pedophiles and women killers are male. On the other hand, women do tend to scream sexual assault or sexual harassment on the slimmest pretext and the entire justice system is turned against the male.
 

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She is getting death threats now because of tweets she made and is in police protection.
Talk about stupidity!!!

The Jefferson County Sheriff's Department has arrested a 16-year-old girl and a 15 year old girl and they have been charged with "Aggravated Menacing" for making the threats via Twitter.
 

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The verdict in what has become known everywhere as “the Steubenville rape case” came down on Sunday but, far from bringing any kind of closure to an ugly episode, it has touched off an unparalleled round of social-media nastiness and exposed a widespread belief that the victim was to blame for her plight.

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It’s almost impossible to believe that some of the things that have been tweeted in the wake of the decision are the real opinions of real people, and not some sort of sick satire.

In the case, a 16-year-old girl in Steubenville, Ohio, who had passed out at a high-school party from drinking alcohol was repeatedly raped and violated by teen boys while others stood by and cheered them on. There are also reports that she may have been urinated on. The boys boasted of their actions on various social media, and took pictures of the unconscious girl and triumphantly shared those, too.

Two of the boys, Ma'lik Richmond and Trent Mays, were convicted in juvenile court on Sunday and sentenced to at least one year in juvenile detention.

Within hours, people on Twitter, including many who seemed to be teenagers themselves, were posting their opposition to the conviction and/or voicing sympathy for the rapists.

“They did what most people in their situation would have done,” said @zJosiah.

“That’s not rape you’re just a loose drunk slut,” typed @romano_santino.

A number of Tweeters rounded up here were convinced the girl brought it on herself by drinking too much, and that she should have been more thoughtful of the teenage boys around her before putting them in the apparently unfair and difficult position of having to rape her. “Be responsible for your actions ladies before your drunken decisions ruin innocent lives,” wrote @THEkayla_jeter.

Even some mainstream media seemed confused about the issue. CNN has taken a beating for going to the scene of the verdict live in the minutes after it came down, only to have the first reaction from reporter Poppy Harlow to be a lament for the “two young men who had such promising futures” seeing their lives ruined by the verdict. The reporter goes on and on about the boys and how “moving” it was to see them face the consequences of their actions, and never once mentions the victim. In the same segment, a CNN analyst refers to the “tragedy” of the verdict.

This was a case of children raping a child. It is incredibly tragic, but the real horror is that many young people believe that there is nothing wrong with sexually assaulting an unconscious girl at a party, because, as they used to say, she’s asking for it.

The Ohio attorney general said Sunday there will be a grand jury hearing to look at more evidence – which includes thousands of text messages and tweets, as well as more photos and even a video of a boy joking about how often “the dead girl,” as he calls her, was raped – and that more boys may be charged.
 
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