Blue Jays 2012
- Thread starter Perry Mason
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Not me. Kind of a wooden guy, no evidence that he's a great manager. I'd like to see an ex-player like Dave Martinez who's the assistant on Tampa. I'm sure he's learned a lot from Joe Maddon, one of the best managers in the game.
Here's the Blue Jays 40 man roster.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/tor/type/40man/toronto-blue-jays
Pick a fringe player, any fringe player.....
http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/roster/_/name/tor/type/40man/toronto-blue-jays
Pick a fringe player, any fringe player.....
Farrell was a player (I remember him being with the Indians in the early 90's). If I were the Jays I'd be calling up Sandy Alomar Jr. to be the next manager. Might influence Robbie to be more involved as a coach and inspiration to the young players. Not to mention, the Alomars have many friends in this game due to their two-generation status as players and coaches. Not only may Sandy have connections to get great coaches, he may be able to gain/use insight as to who the next great set of coaches are.... and for cheap.
He's also said, in numerous interviews, he loved to to come back to the Jays. I don't see him as a head coach, not yet, but after some time as an assistant he could do it.
I don't believe Sandy Alomar ever was employed by the Toronto Blue Jays organization.
As player
San Diego Padres (1988–1989)
Cleveland Indians (1990–2000)
Chicago White Sox (2001–2002)
Colorado Rockies (2002)
Chicago White Sox (2003–2004)
Texas Rangers (2005)
Los Angeles Dodgers (2006)
Chicago White Sox (2006)
New York Mets (2007)
As manager
Cleveland Indians (2012)
Perhaps you meant Robbie?
It's not a great deal but it's not a bad deal if it sets up further moves. If nothing else happens then I agree that the move is a below average/average one but not a bad one. Aside from Randy Wynn to Seattle for Lou Pinella, Aviles is the most significant player moved in such a trade (to steal a line from Jays Journal) with nothing of note going back in return from a player standpoint.
If we strung the Farrell situation along we may have ended up ridding out next season and losing him for nothing as the BOSOX pull the trigger on another Manager or an Interim one and wait for Farrell. Other Manager candidates are finding homes so the pool will dry up quicker than the player market will. If nothing else happens we have a serviceable utility player without many questions to him that hits arbitration next year and will earn $4-5m less than Kelly Johnson would get and is a big upgrade defensively while delivering similar stats in 2012. So from that perspective anything is better than nothing and at worst it's a below average deal that frees up some cash for the next guy. But, if that's all there is to the story, the Jays should have pushed harder given up a pitching prospect with a mid-rotation ceiling about 2-4 years away to get Buchholz in return (but that puts the risk on the BOSOX which is unlikely to get a deal done).
With Aviles, options arise:
- We let Johnson walk and free up $4-5m/year in salary for players we really want
- We can flip Aviles in another deal if necessary
- Mike McCoy becomes expendable and could be dealt in a package
- We are free to trade Escobar for the right deal
- We stick with Hech and Escobar and Aviles is insurance if we have to send Hech back down to AAA
Only time will tell if this is a good or bad deal once the dominos fall. Remember, in the Halladay deal the 3rd guy we got was Micheal Taylor (now 26 and has 17 games in the bigs) who we flipped for Brett Wallace in a 1-for-1 deal (now 25 with below average stats on a crappy team) who we then flipped for Anthony Gose in a 1-for-1 deal (now 22 with alot of hype behind him).
I don't understand why people are making such a big deal and saying that it wasn't a good move. You let a manager walk and got back a decent player. For argument sake, you basically got a decent player back for "free" as Farrell or managers as a whole are barely considered as assets on a team.
Because we're bored and have nothing else to talk about in regards to the Jays. Wait until FA opens up and the real trade season begins, then we'll have more intriguing players to talk about although the discussions may not be any more enlightening or interesting than this one.
Not a bad move by AA.
If Farrell was not prepared to give 100% as Manager of the team, then they are a better team with him not there.
There are lot's of options for Toronto at this time. Hopefully they will find the best candidate to suit the direction they want the club to go in.
If Farrell was not prepared to give 100% as Manager of the team, then they are a better team with him not there.
There are lot's of options for Toronto at this time. Hopefully they will find the best candidate to suit the direction they want the club to go in.
McCown gleaned that from his interview with AA. No question Beeston was involved in the decision. I think McCown is suggesting that AA does not have the power he once had and that maybe true.
Well deal was made between two owners and so both GM's seems like powers should be questions . Also the the hiring of Valentine was Red Sox owners request .
Shouldn't Paul Beeston's job performance be also questioned . What has he done since Pat Gillick left his side ?
