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Why JT wants to end Freedom Convoy demonstration in Ottawa

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As usual The Fake Fox News has been outed for the shit stirring in this whole FreeDumb Convoy saga. You know that from the word go when they have the likes of Ezra levant and other far alt right propagandists on their shows:

Fact check: Debunking more false Fox claims about the Canadian convoy protests
Fox News has been repeatedly inaccurate in its coverage of the Canadian "Freedom Convoy" protests against vaccine mandates, Covid-19 restrictions and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
As the protest in the capital city of Ottawa has been dispersed by the authorities -- Ottawa police tweeted Sunday afternoon that 191 people had been arrested and 79 vehicles towed -- Fox inaccuracies have continued. Here's a look at three false claims made by two Fox hosts and a Fox contributor since Wednesday.
A Fox spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Sunday.
A false claim of a protester being killed


Sara A. Carter, a Fox contributor with about 1.3 million Twitter followers, tweeted a dramatic allegation on Friday after a chaotic incident involving police officers on horseback riding near a crowd of protesters on an Ottawa street. Photos and videos showed a female protester lying injured on the ground.
"Reports are the woman trampled by a Canadian horse patrol just died at the hospital," Carter tweeted, adding the hashtags #Trudeau and #FreedomConvoyCanada.
The claim about a woman being trampled to death went viral. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, a Republican of Texas, quote-tweeted Carter's tweet and added himself, "This...is...horrific." Right-wing commentator duo Diamond and Silk said in their own quote tweet: "#Trudeau should be arrested for murder!"
Facts First: Carter's report was false. Nobody died in the incident involving the police officers on horseback. The woman seen on the ground was indeed injured, but she is alive; she posted on Facebook on Saturday night that she was "hurting but ok." Carter retracted her "just died" claim on Saturday morning -- after it had already been retweeted more than 10,000 times -- and deleted the false tweet hours later.
Carter wrote in her retraction tweet: "The Reports I was given earlier yesterday from sources on the ground that someone may have died at a hospital during the trampling was wrong." She added a claim that someone else at the protest had been taken to the hospital with an issue not caused by a trampling, and she concluded, "I want to clarify this again and apologize for any confusion."
Cruz and Diamond and Silk subsequently deleted their own tweets. Cruz explained that he took his tweet down because of Carter's retraction.
Ontario's Special Investigations Unit, which investigates certain incidents involving the police use of force, announced Sunday that it was probing a Friday incident in Ottawa involving a mounted police officer from Toronto, saying a 49-year-old woman had suffered a "reported serious injury" in the incident. The unit defines serious injury to include those that require a hospital admission.
It isn't clear if the protester seen on the ground in the photos and videos was injured because a horse trampled her or if she was hurt when she fell or was knocked down amid the commotion. Attempts to reach the woman on Sunday were unsuccessful.
A false claim about the protest in Ottawa
On the Fox show "The Five" on Wednesday, co-host Geraldo Rivera criticized the protest in Ottawa -- which had involved protesters relentlessly honking truck horns and car horns -- for "taking away the right of the homeowner to sleep in peace," among other impacts on local residents. But co-host Greg Gutfeld scoffed, skeptically asking Rivera where he was "seeing this."
"They're not parked in front of people's houses," Gutfeld claimed. "They're not parked in front of people's houses honking in the middle of the night." Gutfeld continued, "They're actually being welcomed." He then questioned Rivera's credibility, saying, "You have one person you're talking to in Canada."
Facts First: Gutfeld was thoroughly inaccurate. Thousands of people live in the parts of Ottawa where the protest was concentrated, and some of the protesters did park vehicles right besideresidential buildings; as Rivera said, the constant honking, which took place in the middle of the night as well as during daylight hours, disrupted sleep and daily life for days. An Ottawa residenteventually initiated a lawsuit that resulted in a judge ordering a temporary end to honking in a significant portion of the city. And while it's certainly possible to find Ottawa residents who were fond of the protesters, Gutfeld was incorrect in suggesting that, on the whole, protesters were "actually being welcomed."
Catherine McKenney, who serves on the Ottawa city council and represents the area that became the main protest zone, told CNN in a Sunday interview that some protest vehicles were parked "right outside of people's bedroom windows" and that protesters "would pull on those air horns almost all night long. It was shocking." One street that had been packed with protest vehicles has townhouses and small walkup apartment buildings as well as residential high-rises, McKenney said.
All of the available evidence -- comments from Ottawa's mayor and other local politicians, media interviews with local residents, polling data -- shows that the protests have been highly unpopular in Ottawa, as they have been in Canada more broadly.
A false claim about where Canada's Parliament stands
On Friday, "The Five" debated Trudeau's decision to invoke the Emergencies Act, a never-before-used law, created in 1988, that temporarily gives the government extraordinary powers. The use of the act requires parliamentary approval.
"The Five" co-host Jeanine Pirro said, "Parliament has to vote on this emergencies power act, and they punted." (Before Pirro said "they punted," another host had said the same thing off-screen.) Pirro continued, "They don't want to vote on it. Because they are with the truckers."
Facts First: It's not true that the Canadian Parliament is "with the truckers." Three of the four biggest parties, together representing a large majority of the House of Commons -- Trudeau's Liberal Party, the left-wing New Democratic Party and the Quebec sovereignist Bloc Quebecois -- have all condemned the protesters' tactics. (The Liberals and the New Democrats, themselves representing a majority, last week voted down a motion for the government to quickly put forward a plan to end all federal Covid-19 mandates and restrictions.) The "punted" claim is misleading, too: a planned Friday sitting of the House of Commons was canceled because of the police operation in the area that day to remove protesters, according to the Speaker of the House, not because any party was avoiding the issue; the House of Commons resumed debate on Saturday, and a vote is expected on Monday night.
Trudeau's Liberals, who have the most seats in the House of Commons, have strongly denounced the protests. So have the left-wing New Democrats, led by Jagmeet Singh, who has the fourth-most seats and has expressed cautious support for the use of the Emergencies Act.
The Bloc Quebecois, which has the third-most seats, says the Emergencies Act is an inappropriate tool to use against these protests, and the party supported a Conservative Party motion last week for the Liberals to introduce a plan by the end of the month to end Covid-19 mandates and restrictions. But in early February, the Bloc's leader, Yves-François Blanchet, denounced the protesters' tactics as illegal and said "this has to be stopped."
The Conservatives, who have the second-most seats and oppose Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act, have been the most sympathetic to the truckers; some Conservatives in the House continue to be supportive of the protests, and the party's interim leader, Candice Bergen, previously showed support. Bergen called on February 10 for the protests to end, saying they were disruptive and hurting the economy, while also telling protesters, "Conservatives have heard you and we will stand up for you, and all Canadians who want to get back to normal life. We will not stop until the mandates have ended."

 

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You can never be defeated when standing for what is right.
Well a lot of your buddies/heroes are sitting.....in jail cells. I call that defeated.
The totalitarians ALWAYS confuse might with right.
That's Chapter 1 of the right wing playbook. Those were not hippies on Jan. 6. They were a bunch of armed right wing, totalitarian thugs. They lost democratically and resorted to physical violence. Anarchists.

You have some strange role models.
 

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And here is another example of how you always twist what other people say. Please, give me a quote from my original post where tries to stop people' freedom of expression. note that "stop trying to apply Toronto standards to Ottawa" is no stopping freedom of expression but request to stop application of standards of one place to another: I am sure that even you cam understand that Ottawa is a much smaller city than Toronto
So, stop trying to attach irrelevant events to demonstration and talk about Ottawa using your Toronto standards.
Stop trying to tell others what they can say.

So because Ottawa is smaller than Toronto, a 15 minute walk is somehow not a 15 minute walk?

Do you think it's a coincidence that the window was smashed after he spoke out against the convoy on CTV?

I'm sure even you can understand that you don't control what others post.
 
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Well a lot of your buddies/heroes are sitting.....in jail cells. I call that defeated.

That's Chapter 1 of the right wing playbook. Those were not hippies on Jan. 6. They were a bunch of armed right wing, totalitarian thugs. They lost democratically and resorted to physical violence. Anarchists.

You have some strange role models.
Yeah, Mandela spent 28 years prison. What a defeated loser...
 

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Stop trying to tell others what they can say.

So because Ottawa is smaller than Toronto, a 15 minute walk is somehow not a 15 minute walk?

Do you think it's a coincidence that the window was smashed after he spoke out against the convoy on CTV?

I'm sure even you can understand that you don't control what others post.
Again, twisting my words.

1) Not trying to stop what people re saying, trying prevent them making wrong conclusions based on wrong assumptions. Do you see the difference?

2) 15 minutes is 15 minutes. However, in Toronto "15-minute" walk distance is considers to be nearby, in Ottawa it is "too far apart"

3) It might as well be, yet, it has nothing to do with protesters as it was far away from the protest site. If that shop was in Washington DC, would you also blame Ottawa protesters even if the reason for that was the fact that the owned spoke out against the protest? You know, many people in Washington DC support our protest too? (and, pleas,e do not give me an irrelevant BS about "protest financing and organising").

So to conclude this discussion: when you try to argue, it is always a good idea to read others' post carefully and do not twist the meaning. And, yes, please, stop trying to make a conclusion based on incorrect assumptions. Note that the latter is not to shut you down and prevent you from supersizing your right to speak - it is just a suggestion that may make your arguments (regardless what your position is) less moronic and offensive.
 

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Again, twisting my words.

1) Not trying to stop what people re saying, trying prevent them making wrong conclusions based on wrong assumptions. Do you see the difference?

2) 15 minutes is 15 minutes. However, in Toronto "15-minute" walk distance is considers to be nearby, in Ottawa it is "too far apart"

3) It might as well be, yet, it has nothing to do with protesters as it was far away from the protest site. If that shop was in Washington DC, would you also blame Ottawa protesters even if the reason for that was the fact that the owned spoke out against the protest? You know, many people in Washington DC support our protest too? (and, pleas,e do not give me an irrelevant BS about "protest financing and organising").

So to conclude this discussion: when you try to argue, it is always a good idea to read others' post carefully and do not twist the meaning. And, yes, please, stop trying to make a conclusion based on incorrect assumptions. Note that the latter is not to shut you down and prevent you from supersizing your right to speak - it is just a suggestion that may make your arguments (regardless what your position is) less moronic and offensive.
Okay, to conclude this discussion.

1. Nobody is twisting your words. I quoted you directly and you're the one telling people to stop expressing their thoughts.

2. You can't answer simple questions without going into a long winded, irrelevant rant. And you feel the need to insult to boot.

3. The convoy is done and didn't achieve anything except getting the participants arrested and their vehicles seized, as well as the donation money and crypto. And now the Feds will scrutinize these platforms going forward.

But hey, honk honk, right?
 
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Again, twisting my words.

1) Not trying to stop what people re saying, trying prevent them making wrong conclusions based on wrong assumptions. Do you see the difference?

2) 15 minutes is 15 minutes. However, in Toronto "15-minute" walk distance is considers to be nearby, in Ottawa it is "too far apart"

3) It might as well be, yet, it has nothing to do with protesters as it was far away from the protest site. If that shop was in Washington DC, would you also blame Ottawa protesters even if the reason for that was the fact that the owned spoke out against the protest? You know, many people in Washington DC support our protest too? (and, pleas,e do not give me an irrelevant BS about "protest financing and organising").

So to conclude this discussion: when you try to argue, it is always a good idea to read others' post carefully and do not twist the meaning. And, yes, please, stop trying to make a conclusion based on incorrect assumptions. Note that the latter is not to shut you down and prevent you from supersizing your right to speak - it is just a suggestion that may make your arguments (regardless what your position is) less moronic and offensive.
Already discussed.
Considering how everything else downtown was closed to the anti vaxxers, a 15 min walk is probably about as good as it got.

Just talked with a gay friend who lives downtown Ottawa.
They were scared shitless because of the people yelling and spitting at anyone wearing a mask near them.
Such lovely people, these anti vax freedom defenders.

I take it, by your refusal to respond, that you know these points are true.
 

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Okay, to conclude this discussion.

1. Nobody is twisting your words. I quoted you directly and you're the one telling people to stop expressing their thoughts.

2. You can't answer simple questions without going into a long winded, irrelevant rant. And you feel the need to insult to boot.

3. The convoy is done and didn't achieve anything except getting the participants arrested and their vehicles seized, as well as the donation money and crypto. And now the Feds will scrutinize these platforms going forward.

But hey, honk honk, right?
Not only you are twisting my words, you are outright lying.

1) You have never provided my direct quote where I tell people not to express their opinion when they want to. I told stop applying Toronto realities to Ottawa. If you cannot see the difference, maybe, it would be a good idea you stop embarrassing yourself.

2) Yes, I answered 15 minutes question directly (15 minutes is 15 minutes). However, you twisted my original post saying that I claim the distance is different. I claim that 15-minute walk is short distance in Toronto and long distance in Ottawa. Same as 40x100 lot is a large lot in downtown area but small in outskirts of the town. Again, you do not read carfefully and twist my words

3) Convoy has achieved a very important thing - it showed once again the hypocrisy of JT and his desire for absolute power.

Now, I promise, I will not return to discussing the "15 minute distance" topic with you again, mainly because you are a liar. So, you may feel free to reply to this post with addition lie - I will not contest you.
 
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2) Yes, I answered 15 minutes question directly (15 minutes is 15 minutes). However, you twisted my original post saying that I claim the distance is different. I claim that 15-minute walk is short distance in Toronto and long distance in Ottawa. Same as 40x100 lot is a large lot in downtown area but small in outskirts of the town. Again, you do not read carfefully and twist my words

3) Convoy has achieved a very important thing - it showed once again the hypocrisy of JT and his desire for absolute power.
2) Nothing was open to the anti vaxxers downtown. 15 minutes was likely the best they could find.
3) The anti vaxxers showed that American right wing money and media are infecting and dividing Canadians.
 

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Not only you are twisting my words, you are outright lying.

1) You have never provided my direct quote where I tell people not to express their opinion when they want to. I told stop applying Toronto realities to Ottawa. If you cannot see the difference, maybe, it would be a good idea you stop embarrassing yourself.

2) Yes, I answered 15 minutes question directly (15 minutes is 15 minutes). However, you twisted my original post saying that I claim the distance is different. I claim that 15-minute walk is short distance in Toronto and long distance in Ottawa. Same as 40x100 lot is a large lot in downtown area but small in outskirts of the town. Again, you do not read carfefully and twist my words

3) Convoy has achieved a very important thing - it showed once again the hypocrisy of JT and his desire for absolute power.

Now, I promise, I will not return to discussing the "15 minute distance" topic with you again, mainly because you are a liar. So, you may feel free to reply to this post with addition lie - I will not contest you.
Yup, more insults and irrelevant ranting. Seems like that's all you got.
 

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Yeah, Mandela spent 28 years prison. What a defeated loser...
What a joke. Comparing a guy like Mandela with noble ideals to the hundreds of degenerate, uneducated malcontents who can't string two thoughts together. And Mandela had the majority of the country behind him. The truckers have the fringe element, including you.

You desperation is on full display. Your guys are closer to (Charles) Manson than Mandela.
 

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This thread is another example of a politicized community, divisive and unforgiving we have become. SMH.. Where we once stood discussing the standards of providers service and fought over beauty in the eye of the beholder.. Once where we stood against surge in prices.. Wait we didn't.. Anyways we were once united in the joys and downfalls of this hobby, now we are this... WTF..
 

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This thread is another example of a politicized community, divisive and unforgiving we have become. SMH.. Where we once stood discussing the standards of providers service and fought over beauty in the eye of the beholder.. Once where we stood against surge in prices.. Wait we didn't.. Anyways we were once united in the joys and downfalls of this hobby, now we are this... WTF..
Nostalgia has gotten the better of you. We fought about girls as well.
 

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Briane from Chilliwack has disappeared....



The claim that a donor’s account was caught up in the anti-convoy sweep came from B.C. MP Mark Strahl. He tweeted Sunday that a person named Briane, who he said was “a single mom from Chilliwack working a minimum wage job,” made the donation “when it was 100 per cent legal,” and had not otherwise taken part in convoy-related activities. He provided neither her last name nor her financial institution, but said “her bank account has now been frozen.”

A representative for Mr. Strahl said the MP was not available to comment. Mr. Strahl tweeted he would not share any further details of the case with media, citing privacy reasons.
 
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Here a better list and it includes adresses and if they collected

Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS)
They collect from Trudeau then they want his head.

They were lead by the nose by these 5 anti-gov/t, homophobic Ant-muslims, white racists
 

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Here a better list and it includes adresses and if they collected

Canada Emergency Wage Subsidy (CEWS)
They collect from Trudeau then they want his head.

They were lead by the nose by these 5 anti-gov/t, homophobic Ant-muslims, white racists
110 people who donated to the omniconvoy also donated to the Jan 6 insurrection.
 
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