Who will you be voting for??

[Skoob]

I actually agree with you on this.

But alluding to my post above, when Carney starts making actual decisions he will immediately turn-off chunks of voters. If he governs from the middle, that will likely turn-off progressive voters including former NDP voters. If Carney stubbornly follows progressive Liberal leadership, he will disappoint moderate voters who had more faith in him than Poilievre.

Carney's electoral coalition held up from the obvious stress witnessed in January because of the outside threat presented by the Trump Administration. When he inevitably makes nice with the U.S. the focus will be on the economy and disparate views of governance with his coalition of voters.

Sadly, I think you are giving most Liberal supporters here too much credit in understanding things from a policy and political spectrum perspective.

They have been conditioned to think everything that's wrong with Canada over the past decade is somehow related to everything and everyone other than our leadership.

Giving them a convenient target (Trump) to focus on simply ends with that as far as what & who they want to vote for.

If you don't believe me, take this factual example...

The Liberals championed the carbon tax over the past 6 years so much so, that they increased it during the pandemic years when people were struggling, and would call anyone who challenged them on the purpose of this tax a "climate change denier".
Until of course their election poll numbers were dropping fast...so they scrapped it overnight.
Apparently tariffs and the threat of Trump were more important than the climate especially if an election was at stake.

The climate change champion (Trudeau) was replaced with the "save us from Trump" champion (carney) overnight and no regard for the previous decade of economic destruction and financial mismanagement.

 

[WyattEarp]

I've said that if....and that's a big IF, the Liberals implement the Conservative policies they copied, then it's really a win-win. Why would I be against that?

But you know as well as I, that the Liberals don't have a good track record for keeping promises but are good at winning elections. So we will see what happens.

Watch for what some U.S. commentators have described as the Schatz Doctrine after Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii. Democratic (Liberal) politicians can continue to advance progressive leftism as long as they are careful not to sound like they are advancing progressive leftism. In other words, the progressive policies turn-off voters so don't tell them what you are actually going to do during the campaign while winking at your progressive wing.

 

[Skoob]

I am asking Skoob why he thinks conservatives accomplished anything this election.
And yes, it is a Liberal accomplishment. How is it not?
And Canadians voted for both. Why does it have to be one or the other?

I listed the Conservative accomplishments and you ignored them.

Why do you ask for information you'll just ignore anyway? Is that a stall tactic while you figure out how to distract to something else?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I listed the Conservative accomplishments and you ignored them.

Those were not conservative accomplishments.

 

[Skoob]

Watch for what some U.S. commentators have described as the Schatz Doctrine after Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii. Democratic (Liberal) politicians can continue to advance progressive leftism as long as they are careful not to sound like they are advancing progressive leftism. In other words, the progressive policies turn-off voters so don't tell them what you are actually going to do during the campaign while winking at your progressive wing.

Yes and that's why I remain skeptical that Carney and his Liberal party will actually implement the Conservative policies they "adopted" during the campaign.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Because if your supposition is Canadians voted against authoritarianism, that's a pretty resounding statement and motivation.

So yeah, votes against scary authoritarianism as you have defined it are not a Liberal accomplishment. You yourself said Canadians were scared. That doesn't sound like a great achievement for the Liberals and their platform whatever Carney decides it will be.

Both play a role.
The platform as well as anti-authoritarianism.
It is still an accomplishment because it took the right messaging to provide the voter with the confidence to vote them in, when they were trailing 20+ points.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You need to look at the big picture as to how the Canadian parliament works. If you are only able to look at Poilievre's riding then you are wasting your time...and mine.

I've said that if....and that's a big IF, the Liberals implement the Conservative policies they copied, then it's really a win-win. Why would I be against that?

But you know as well as I, that the Liberals don't have a good track record for keeping promises but are good at winning elections. So we will see what happens.

Let's all witness how Carney will "stand up to Trump" hahahahahaha this should be good.

That is your mental gymnastics to call it conservative policies.
Its Carney's platform.
Pierre losing his seat is unprecedented.
How come the conservatives increased their seats in parliament (which is the actual conservative accomplishment), but its leader lost his riding? lmfao.

 

[versitile1]

That is your mental gymnastics to call it conservative policies.
Its Carney's platform.
Pierre losing his seat is unprecedented.
How come the conservatives increased their seats in parliament (which is the actual conservative accomplishment), but its leader lost his riding? lmfao.

No, don’t you see this is actually a win for Pee Pee? Now he never has to get his security clearance and can speak freely about whatever he wants outside the House of Commons because well, he doesn’t have a seat anymore.

 

[Skoob]

Those were not conservative accomplishments.

They were all accomplishments. You just don't like them.

Conservatives had the best showing in more than a decade. You don't think that's an accomplishment?
Conservatives had more to do with the collapse of the NDP than anyone else did.
Conservatives pushed the carbon tax election narrative that ultimately had Trudeau resign and Carney adopt dropping it.

just because you are brainwashed by the Liberal propaganda machine doesn't mean that politically the Conservatives didn't have any accomplishments.

 

[Skoob]

Both play a role.
The platform as well as anti-authoritarianism.
It is still an accomplishment because it took the right messaging to provide the voter with the confidence to vote them in, when they were trailing 20+ points.

In other words, as Wyatt tried to explain to you...their motivation was fear.
The rest of the platform was Conservative in nature so no difference there.

 

[Skoob]

That is your mental gymnastics to call it conservative policies.
Its Carney's platform.
Pierre losing his seat is unprecedented.
How come the conservatives increased their seats in parliament (which is the actual conservative accomplishment), but its leader lost his riding? lmfao.

You think after 6 years of pushing the carbon tax and ignoring out of control immigration and government growth for a decade, Carney suddenly came up with his platform on his own without copying the Conservatives who were pushing all those for years?

You are completely brainwashed.

 

[Skoob]

No, don’t you see this is actually a win for Pee Pee? Now he never has to get his security clearance and can speak freely about whatever he wants outside the House of Commons because well, he doesn’t have a seat anymore.

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Tell us what security clearance Poilievre doesn't have and why?
And then tell us why the Liberals and their supporters suddenly support Conservative policies that Carney will be implementing after a decade of fighting against them?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You think after 6 years of pushing the carbon tax and ignoring out of control immigration and government growth for a decade, Carney suddenly came up with his platform on his own without copying the Conservatives who were pushing all those for years?

Yes.
He saw the impact and changed course.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

In other words, as Wyatt tried to explain to you...their motivation was fear.

Yes well meaning people tend to fear Nazism.
And if you want to cope calling it conservative platform, so be it.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

They were all accomplishments. You just don't like them.

Conservatives had the best showing in more than a decade. You don't think that's an accomplishment?
Conservatives had more to do with the collapse of the NDP than anyone else did.
Conservatives pushed the carbon tax election narrative that ultimately had Trudeau resign and Carney adopt dropping it.

just because you are brainwashed by the Liberal propaganda machine doesn't mean that politically the Conservatives didn't have any accomplishments.

Conservatives had the best showing in more than a decade. You don't think that's an accomplishment? - Yes that is an accomplishment, as I myself said.
Conservatives had more to do with the collapse of the NDP than anyone else did - Not a solely conservative accomplishment. Both Libs and Cons took up NDP seats.
Conservatives pushed the carbon tax election narrative that ultimately had Trudeau resign and Carney adopt dropping it. - Carney dropped it not because of conservatives but because it was ineffective and unhelpful.
But after all this, nothing to show for.
They aren't the ruling party and their leader lost his seat.

 

[Skoob]

Yes.
He saw the impact and changed course.

Lol! yeah...what a remarkable coincidence...now I see how he sucked you in.

 

[Skoob]

Yes well meaning people tend to fear Nazism.
And if you want to cope calling it conservative platform, so be it.

I call it a Conservative platform because that's where it was copied from.
You're just too brainwashed to realize that and think it was magically developed in a few weeks after a decade of the complete opposite policies being pushed.

That's what brainwashing does to people like you.

 

[Skoob]

Conservatives had the best showing in more than a decade. You don't think that's an accomplishment? - Yes that is an accomplishment, as I myself said.
Conservatives had more to do with the collapse of the NDP than anyone else did - Not a solely conservative accomplishment. Both Libs and Cons took up NDP seats.
Conservatives pushed the carbon tax election narrative that ultimately had Trudeau resign and Carney adopt dropping it. - Carney dropped it not because of conservatives but because it was ineffective and unhelpful.
But after all this, nothing to show for.
They aren't the ruling party and their leader lost his seat.

The NDP lost seats because the Conservatives were constantly calling them out for supporting the Liberal agenda and not joining them to push for an election multiple times. Stop spreading misinformation.
Carney dropped the carbon tax because his own party and multiple MPs feared losing the election on that key issue. No other reason.

Poilievre held his seat for 20 years. Why does it matter if the opposition under his leadership on the whole is even larger in this election compared to others in the past? Are you desperate?

Seems to me you are trying to peddle misinformation to justify the hypocrisy of the Liberals and your own.

It's not working for you.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Carney dropped the carbon tax because his own party and multiple MPs feared losing the election on that key issue. No other reason

This is 100% correct.

And it was PP's original idea to "axe the tax", the Libs just stole it from him.
So PP deserves a lot of credit for Canadians paying less tax now

 

[squeezer]

It's funny...you think you won an election and now you're realizing what you voted for is actually what the Conservatives wanted.

hahahaha!

What is sad is that you are a tad delusional.