Who will you be voting for??

[WyattEarp]

Everything in the list was copied from the Conservative platform and what the Conservatives have been proposing for years. You just proved my point.

Ideology doesn't have anything to do with actual policy that affects people's lives.
Being opposed to the one down south is nothing but virtue signaling. No substance. No plan.

You still can't explain what makes Carney any different than any other party leader in that respect. You just voted blindly due to brainwashing.

I heard that Carney wants the government to become a contractor in building more affordable housing. This smacks of a typical liberal solution. Liberals like anything that puts the government front and center in the economy.

In all likelihood, the reality will be very different than the rhetoric. I would stick to incentives and removing regulatory barriers.

 

[WyattEarp]

When every party leader uses the same talking points and proposes the same policies, people are left to decide based on subjective things. That's where cognitive bias comes in.

Of course.

Some of Trump's policies are not classic conservative policies, but Democrats and Liberal media still try to shout them down anyway.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Everything in the list was copied from the Conservative platform and what the Conservatives have been proposing for years. You just proved my point.

Ideology doesn't have anything to do with actual policy that affects people's lives.
Being opposed to the one down south is nothing but virtue signaling. No substance. No plan.

You still can't explain what makes Carney any different than any other party leader in that respect. You just voted blindly due to brainwashing.

So all your complaints that the Liberals were going to overspend, was actually a conservative idea?
So if conservatives overspend you have no issue but if Liberals do it is the end of the world?
And if it is the conservative platform you should have no problem with it.
Your criticism doesn't make sense.
And yes, ideology is what mattered in this election.
MAGA ideology was defeated and cast out.
The guy with over a 20 point lead 6 weeks earlier lost his riding.
What part of that reality eludes you?
On a positive note, you guys atleast seem to have won the TERB poll. lmfao.

 

[Burldude]

I want to take this opportunity to congratulate Carney on winning the election. Although the result is not what I had hoped for, I respect the democratic process.

We finally got rid of Trudeau and Singh. That in itself is a victory! Conservatives picked up a lot of new seats especially in Southern Ontario and will form a very strong opposition.

I'm also relieved that Caney has adopted a significant number of Conservative policies and will put them into effect in the months and years ahead as he campaigned on.

This of course is with the assumption that he will stick to his promises. Among those promises is reducing government, cutting taxes, keeping the carbon tax at 0, controlling immigration, and investing in Canadian natural resources and pipelines (drill baby drill!).

All of that while running a minority government without the help of the NDP to swoop in and prop them up.

We'll all be watching intently of course...

I think you forgot that we got rid of Pee Pee as well and the Liberal only need the 7 NDP to pass any programs or legislations

 

[squeezer]

Not sure what your story is supposed to mean exactly but I hope you enjoy Carney implementing all those Conservative policies he copied and campaigned on.
This will be fun to watch. A win-win so to speak.
You can ask me why but I think you already know the answer, and if you don't already know the answer, I'm sure your AI aps will tell you.

Grasp at straws to lessen your tears of your Conservatives blowing a 20 point lead. Your leader losing his seat because he was stupid enough to court the looney anti vax twats in Ottawa. LMAO

Your tears are wonderful, mmmmm mmmm.

 

[squeezer]

I used to think you were naive and ignorant because all the information you rely on came from Youtube...I had no idea you were using AI to find your moral compass!

Now it all makes sense.

PS I'm actually happy that the Libs have a minority government but were elected on the Conservative policies they copied. Which means they either keep their promises and implement those policies or if they stray, they will accomplish nothing and get turfed next election.

Deep down I know you know that's true...if you don't believe me ask your AI app.

Grasp, reach, stretchhhhhh , you can do it!!!

 

[WyattEarp]

MAGA ideology was defeated and cast out.

That sounds like generalized sloganeering. I kind of know what that means relative to Trump. I have no real idea what that would actually mean for Canada. It kind of sounds like an attempt at a pejorative slogan for anyone that opposes progressive policy-making including more open immigration and controlling the growth of government. Tighter immigration and controlling government spending are probably very popular with Canadian voters.

I'm guessing MAGA sloganeering worked well with older, traditionally Liberal voters.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

That sounds like generalized sloganeering. I kind of know what that means relative to Trump. I have no real idea what that would actually mean for Canada. It kind of sounds like an attempt at a pejorative slogan for anyone that opposes progressive policy-making including more open immigration and controlling the growth of government. Tighter immigration and controlling government spending are probably very popular with Canadian voters.

I'm guessing MAGA sloganeering worked well with older, traditionally Liberal voters.

MAGA is MAGA.
In Canada it is more like MAGA-lite.
No mass deportations for example, but MAGA adjacent messaging.
Canadians got scared and voted Liberal.

 

[Dutch Oven]

For years the loonie left has defended Justin ( the moron) Trudeau's "the Budget will balance itself ' idiot statement, claiming it was taken out of context.
Well time has proven that is exactly what the idiot king thought and exactly what he meant

Carney's plan is no different in substance. It's just better disguised. A plan to spend billions that we don't have with no projection as to how that money will ever be recovered is, in essence, "the budget will balance itself".

I'd prefer if the Liberals just took all our money down to the Casino and laid it all down on the 00. At least there is a chance that plan would work!

 

[Pepe_Grande]

Here it would be MCGA and the Spanish speakers know what that means.

 

[WyattEarp]

MAGA is MAGA.
In Canada it is more like MAGA-lite.
No mass deportations for example, but MAGA adjacent messaging.
Canadians got scared and voted Liberal.

You're just doubling down on a pejorative slogan.
You're allegedly the self-proclaimed "substance" guy.

Canadians weren't scared. They voted Liberal because they think Carney could deal with the U.S. better. I highly doubt he has any cards the Conservatives don't in dealing with the U.S.

PS- Despite all the hyperbole, most Canadians know that many multiples more Canadians to the U.S. relative to Americans who migrate to Canada. This despite the number of Americans is 8.5x the number of Canadians.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Canadians weren't scared. They voted Liberal because they think Carney could deal with the U.S. better.

Well you are allegedly the self-proclaimed "expert in all things" guy.
So you should know it isn't a slogan and stop gaslighting.
Canadians were definitely concerned with American authoritarianism making its way into Canada.
And also tariffs.
A guy who had a 20+ point lead 6 weeks ago, couldn't be trusted to stand up to Trump, because he was seen as MAGA-lite and lost his own riding.
I guess we will have to wait for that to sink in for conservatives.

 

[WyattEarp]

Well you are allegedly the self-proclaimed "expert in all things" guy.
So you should know it isn't a slogan and stop gaslighting.
Canadians were definitely concerned with American authoritarianism making its way into Canada.
And also tariffs.
A guy who had a 20+ point lead 6 weeks ago, couldn't be trusted to stand up to Trump, because he was seen as MAGA-lite and lost his own riding.
I guess we will have to wait for that to sink in for conservatives.

I'm just the guy who knows how to pull data into the discussion to challenge conventional thinking.
As I said, multiples more of Canadians vis-a-vis Americans will leave for the alleged "authoritarian" U.S.

I'd rather look at data to understand things rather than listen to talking heads tell us how to think about the world.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I'm just the guy who knows how to pull data into the discussion to challenge conventional thinking.
As I said, multiples more of Canadians vis-a-vis Americans will leave for the alleged "authoritarian" U.S.

I'd rather look at data to understand things rather than listen to talking heads tell us how to think about the world.

Sigh.
Migration:
Firstly I asked ChatGPT and it says 7000 to 10000 Canadians move to the US every year, and 10000 to 12000 Americans do to Canada.
Maybe you'd want to quibble over immigration per 100,000 or some stat like that.
But this is irrelevant.
Data that may be helpful:
What are their voting preferences?
Which state do they move to?
Why do they move to the US?
How many of them move permanently for quality of life reasons?
This might begin to help you if the data is in your favour but even then the numbers are too low to come to a conclusion that you desire.
And none of this explains why a guy who had a 20+ point lead just 6 weeks ago lost his own riding.
As you said the conservatives and liberals have more or less the same tools when it comes to tariff response.
I will go one step further and say that they more or less advocate for the same tariff responses too.
They both agree on counter tariffs, agree there should be more intra-provincial trade, agree we should be more self-reliant etc.,
So what caused people to turn?
It is cultural values.
Canadians do not want American authoritarianism.
What you hear on TERB is not reality.
Look at the poll here.
Conservatives won lol.
Very different from how the election turned out.

 

[WyattEarp]

Sigh.
Migration:
Firstly I asked ChatGPT and it says 7000 to 10000 Canadians move to the US every year, and 10000 to 12000 Americans do to Canada.
Maybe you'd want to quibble over immigration per 100,000 or some stat like that.
But this is irrelevant.
Data that may be helpful:
What are their voting preferences?
Which state do they move to?
Why do they move to the US?
How many of them move permanently for quality of life reasons?
This might begin to help you if the data is in your favour but even then the numbers are too low to come to a conclusion that you desire.
And none of this explains why a guy who had a 20+ point lead just 6 weeks ago lost his own riding.
As you said the conservatives and liberals have more or less the same tools when it comes to tariff response.
I will go one step further and say that they more or less advocate for the same tariff responses too.
They both agree on counter tariffs, agree there should be more intra-provincial trade, agree we should be more self-reliant etc.,
So what caused people to turn?
It is cultural values.
Canadians do not want American authoritarianism.
What you hear on TERB is not reality.
Look at the poll here.
Conservatives won lol.
Very different from how the election turned out.

It's kind of scary how someone can string along words in a somewhat articulately manner but be weak in the analytical component. There's over 800,000 Canadians in the U.S. I can't help you with your source of information. Perhaps stop chatting with your computer or smartphone.

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I don't care what motivates them to come here. What matters the whole "authoritarian" hyperbole isn't scaring anyone. So keep repeating the authoritarian line over and over. When the Canadian immigration reverses itself substantially, I will start paying attention.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

It's kind of scary how someone can string along words in a somewhat articulately manner but be weak in the analytical component. There's over 800,000 Canadians in the U.S. I can't help you with your source of information. Perhaps stop chatting with your computer or smartphone.

I don't care what motivates them to come here. What matters the whole "authoritarian" hyperbole isn't scaring anyone. So keep repeating the authoritarian line over and over. When the Canadian immigration reverses itself substantially, I will start paying attention.

You have a habit of bringing up something and then being dismissive when challenged.
So why make a weak point you are not prepared to debate? Beats me.
I like how you conveniently ignored all the follow up questions on the data that I had, while talking about analyzing data. lmao.
And 900,000+ Americans live in Canada.
I dont know what that is supposed to prove or how that explains Pierre's loss after holding such a substantial lead for such a long time?.
It is America's authoritarianism and descent into fascism that made Canadians turn on him.
I guess if you were a Canadian conservative I'd ask you to wake up but since you are an American conservative I will just say, you can assume what you want, but believe me when I say, Canadians do not want Trumpism or your brand of conservatism.
By the way to your point about immigration reversing:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/canadians-put-off-trump-bluster-border-arrests-1.7518416

But there has been a big drop in foreigners traveling to the U.S. since Trump took office, and Canadians are no exception.
There were more than 910,000 fewer land border crossings from Canada into the U.S. last month than in March of 2024 — a more than 22 per cent drop — according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-us-travel-fears-1.7506048

 

[squeezer]

It used to be that the NDP would prop up the Liberal minority government. After this election that won't be possible because they only won about 1/3 of the seats they had last time.
Similarly, the Bloc lost seats but can make a difference if they want to. Problem is, they typically only want to look out for Quebec and will side with anyone who helps them with that. Everything else could be a toss up.

Let's check your math and see if you are correct, SKooby.

Libs-169 NDP-7 One needs 172 seats for a majority sooooooo, let me ask you one time.

Can the NDP prop up the Libs?

*hint 169+7=???




Canada's balance of power
Leading seats by party, counting under way


A bar chart showing the number of leading seats by party in Canada's federal election. Leading seats include seats where parties are ahead but not confirmed to have won. There are 172 seats need for a majority in Canada's House of Commons. The Liberals are on course to win 169 seats, the Conservatives 144, the Bloc Quebecois 22, NDP 7 and the Green Party 1.


Source: Elections Canada • 99% of polls reported
Results are preliminary and include seats where parties are leading but not confirmed to have won. Last updated: 15:23, 29 Apr 2025

 

[WyattEarp]

You have a habit of bringing up something and then being dismissive when challenged.
So why make a weak point you are not prepared to debate? Beats me.
I like how you conveniently ignored all the follow up questions on the data that I had, while talking about analyzing data. lmao.
And 900,000+ Americans live in Canada.
I dont know what that is supposed to prove or how that explains Pierre's loss after holding such a substantial lead for such a long time?.
It is America's authoritarianism and descent into fascism that made Canadians turn on him.
I guess if you were a Canadian conservative I'd ask you to wake up but since you are an American conservative I will just say, you can assume what you want, but believe me when I say, Canadians do not want Trumpism or your brand of conservatism.
By the way to your point about immigration reversing:

One way or another you're missing the big picture. They're are 8.5x more Americans than Canadians. They're are simply many more of us in the U.S. and around the world.

American fascism is a narrative. About 2% of Canadians living in the U.S. is a factual reality. The factual reality doesn't jive with the narrative.

The reason we are talking about it is because you said this:

Canadians got scared and voted Liberal.

PS- The problem on pushing on the scary MAGA-lite in Canada thing too much is that you inadvertently undermine the case that voters see Carney as the best person to fix the Trudeau economic doldrums. We know older voters had a general comfort of staying with the Liberals. I think most of us who follow politics knows this turns upside down the normal political alignment of younger voters favoring liberals.

 

[Frankfooter]

I heard that Carney wants the government to become a contractor in building more affordable housing. This smacks of a typical liberal solution. Liberals like anything that puts the government front and center in the economy.

In all likelihood, the reality will be very different than the rhetoric. I would stick to incentives and removing regulatory barriers.

We have funded new social housing in Toronto that is quite good and well done.
Meanwhile, DoFo is trying to build an LRT line with private/public funding that hasn't opened in 14 years.
And under DoFo, who gave out massive developer breaks, private housing starts were the lowest in the country.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

One way or another you're missing the big picture. They're are 8.5x more Americans than Canadians. They're are simply many more of us in the U.S. and around the world.

I understand that.
Which is why I said you'd want to quibble over rates of immigration.
But this does not explain Canadian opinions on American fascism.

American fascism is a narrative. About 2% of Canadians living in the U.S. is a factual reality. The factual reality doesn't jive with the narrative.

And you dont know what that 2% actually think.
The fact that they are living there means nothing.
That's like saying the Jews who lived in fascist Germany were okay with German fascism just because they happened to live there.
And American fascism is not a narrative.
It is very much reality.

The reason we are talking about it is because you said this:
PS- The problem on pushing on the scary MAGA-lite in Canada thing too much is that you inadvertently undermine the case that voters see Carney as the best person to fix the Trudeau economic doldrums. We know older voters had a general comfort of staying with the Liberals. I think most of us who follow politics knows this turns upside down the normal political alignment of younger voters favoring liberals.

I dont think it undermines it.
There are multiple reasons why one votes for a candidate and often times it is a combination of various reasons.
So Carney was seen as strong, economically knowledgeable, democratic, level-headed, reasonable and inclusive.
Pierre was seen as grating, MAGA-lite, not too knowledgeable economically, divisive, authoritarian and as a glorified sloganeer.
Even so he held the lead for a long time, even after Carney's appointment, but the tariffs and 51st state comments, along with Trump's authoritarian deportations and EOs alarmed Canadians enough to reject Pierre.
Therefore MAGA-culture played a huge role in this election. Just as much as the economy.