Who will you be voting for??

[Skoob]

I think you forgot that we got rid of Pee Pee as well and the Liberal only need the 7 NDP to pass any programs or legislations

Last I checked he was still the leader of the opposition. Record setting opposition that is.
Just because he lost his riding doesn't mean anything.

Besides, as long as Carney keeps his promises and delivers on all those Conservative policies he adopted, I'm not worried...are you?

Also, I'm curious...tell us how Carney will "stand up to Trump" in a way that would have been any different than any other candidate? Be specific.

 

[WyattEarp]

Politicians over recent years have used the term "affordable housing" as a substitute for what it actually is: subsidized housing.

If they call it what it actually is, many more people will come to the realization that it's housing their taxes are paying for so that someone else can live there. It's not an affordable home that someone can work to buy, although that's the narrative they are trying to peddle.

It's indeed a liberal tactic and marketing scheme in trying to convince people that they can afford to buy a home even though they have stacked the economic cards against anyone actually being able to do this.

If you make people believe that you will help them own their own home, they will vote for you. The Liberal party in Canada are masters of marketing...and deception, as proven by how many elections they have won since 2015 yet people keep struggling.

That's what I was getting at with my post.
I think the big squeeze scoffed at my post. You know the chronic laughing emoji in lieu of a thoughtful response.

I worry that Carney will look at low productivity growth and low business investment and champion direct government investment. Of course, government as a housing contractor is one of those liberal investment methods. You want more housing, technology, income etc. etc. the government will provide it. I guarantee you that productivity will not grow from such govt. investments.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Conservatives would spend to make Canada more independent. How else would that be accomplished?
Conservatives wanted to cancel the carbon tax.
Conservatives wanted to control immigration.
Conservatives wanted to reduce the size and expense of government.


All of the above...adopted by Carney. (until he inevitably backtracks soon)

Trudeau gone.
Singh gone.
Carney promising Conservative policies.
Conservatives with a very strong opposition and record setting support.
Conservatives having more power in parliament without being sabotaged by the NDP.

I would say Poilievre not winning his riding is inconsequential based on all the accomplishments above.

And remember: you voted for Carney because you think he will save you from Trump...and you have yet to provide anything concrete differences between Carney and the other candidates in that context.

i.e. you swallowed Liberal propaganda again.

So that was my question.
So all of that since you say it was adopted by Carney (it wasn't), should make you happy with the Liberal platform, correct?
I mean even though it is a massive cope, because you are prone to mental gymnastics, it should atleast make you happy?
And you think Trudeau ruling for 10 long years, then stepping down, and pretty much turning around a 20+ point trail in polling, to a near majority election victory, along with the leader of the opposition losing his seat, is an accomplishment? lmfaoooo.
Too funny.

 

[Skoob]

Grasp at straws to lessen your tears of your Conservatives blowing a 20 point lead. Your leader losing his seat because he was stupid enough to court the looney anti vax twats in Ottawa. LMAO

Your tears are wonderful, mmmmm mmmm.

You think Poilievre lost his lead due to Carney? Lol!

He lost his lead because people like you believed Carney would "stand up to Trump" but can't explain how he plans to do that in any way that's different than anyone else?

I can't wait for all those Conservative policies to be implemented whether it's the Conservatives or Liberals. Like I said a win-win.

PS what I would be thinking if I were you is what happens in 4 years when/if Trump is no longer POTUS and after 4 years of Carney doing squat against protecting Canada with no one to distract to?

 

[Skoob]

Grasp, reach, stretchhhhhh , you can do it!!!

It's funny...you think you won an election and now you're realizing what you voted for is actually what the Conservatives wanted.

hahahaha!

 

[WyattEarp]

And you think Trudeau ruling for 10 long years, then stepping down, and pretty much turning around a 20+ point trail in polling, to a near majority election victory, along with the leader of the opposition losing his seat, is an accomplishment? lmfaoooo.
Too funny.

I'm confused. I thought you said Canadians were voting against authoritarianism. Now you seemed to be crediting Carney with a major accomplishment.

Did Canadians vote in favor of the Liberal platform or did they actually vote against authoritarianism?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I'm confused. I thought you said Canadians were voting against authoritarianism. Now you seemed to be crediting Carney with a major accomplishment.

Did Canadians vote in favor of the Liberal platform or did they actually vote against authoritarianism?

I am asking Skoob why he thinks conservatives accomplished anything this election.
And yes, it is a Liberal accomplishment. How is it not?
And Canadians voted for both. Why does it have to be one or the other?

 

[WyattEarp]

It's funny...you think you won an election and now you're realizing what you voted for is actually what the Conservatives wanted.

hahahaha!

I actually agree with you on this.

But alluding to my post above, when Carney starts making actual decisions he will immediately turn-off chunks of voters. If he governs from the middle, that will likely turn-off progressive voters including former NDP voters. If Carney stubbornly follows progressive Liberal leadership, he will disappoint moderate voters who had more faith in him than Poilievre.

Carney's electoral coalition held up from the obvious stress witnessed in January because of the outside threat presented by the Trump Administration. When he inevitably makes nice with the U.S. the focus will be on the economy and disparate views of governance with his coalition of voters.

 

[versitile1]

 

[Skoob]

So that was my question.
So all of that since you say it was adopted by Carney (it wasn't), should make you happy with the Liberal platform, correct?
I mean even though it is a massive cope, because you are prone to mental gymnastics, it should atleast make you happy?
And you think Trudeau ruling for 10 long years, then stepping down, and pretty much turning around a 20+ point trail in polling, to a near majority election victory, along with the leader of the opposition losing his seat, is an accomplishment? lmfaoooo.
Too funny.

You need to look at the big picture as to how the Canadian parliament works. If you are only able to look at Poilievre's riding then you are wasting your time...and mine.

I've said that if....and that's a big IF, the Liberals implement the Conservative policies they copied, then it's really a win-win. Why would I be against that?

But you know as well as I, that the Liberals don't have a good track record for keeping promises but are good at winning elections. So we will see what happens.

Let's all witness how Carney will "stand up to Trump" hahahahahaha this should be good.

 

[WyattEarp]

I am asking Skoob why he thinks conservatives accomplished anything this election.
And yes, it is a Liberal accomplishment. How is it not?
And Canadians voted for both. Why does it have to be one or the other?

Because if your supposition is Canadians voted against authoritarianism, that's a pretty resounding statement and motivation.

So yeah, votes against scary authoritarianism as you have defined it are not a Liberal accomplishment. You yourself said Canadians were scared. That doesn't sound like a great achievement for the Liberals and their platform whatever Carney decides it will be.

Canadians got scared and voted Liberal.

 

[Skoob]

I actually agree with you on this.

But alluding to my post above, when Carney starts making actual decisions he will immediately turn-off chunks of voters. If he governs from the middle, that will likely turn-off progressive voters including former NDP voters. If Carney stubbornly follows progressive Liberal leadership, he will disappoint moderate voters who had more faith in him than Poilievre.

Carney's electoral coalition held up from the obvious stress witnessed in January because of the outside threat presented by the Trump Administration. When he inevitably makes nice with the U.S. the focus will be on the economy and disparate views of governance with his coalition of voters.

Sadly, I think you are giving most Liberal supporters here too much credit in understanding things from a policy and political spectrum perspective.

They have been conditioned to think everything that's wrong with Canada over the past decade is somehow related to everything and everyone other than our leadership.

Giving them a convenient target (Trump) to focus on simply ends with that as far as what & who they want to vote for.

If you don't believe me, take this factual example...

The Liberals championed the carbon tax over the past 6 years so much so, that they increased it during the pandemic years when people were struggling, and would call anyone who challenged them on the purpose of this tax a "climate change denier".
Until of course their election poll numbers were dropping fast...so they scrapped it overnight.
Apparently tariffs and the threat of Trump were more important than the climate especially if an election was at stake.

The climate change champion (Trudeau) was replaced with the "save us from Trump" champion (carney) overnight and no regard for the previous decade of economic destruction and financial mismanagement.

 

[WyattEarp]

I've said that if....and that's a big IF, the Liberals implement the Conservative policies they copied, then it's really a win-win. Why would I be against that?

But you know as well as I, that the Liberals don't have a good track record for keeping promises but are good at winning elections. So we will see what happens.

Watch for what some U.S. commentators have described as the Schatz Doctrine after Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii. Democratic (Liberal) politicians can continue to advance progressive leftism as long as they are careful not to sound like they are advancing progressive leftism. In other words, the progressive policies turn-off voters so don't tell them what you are actually going to do during the campaign while winking at your progressive wing.

 

[Skoob]

I am asking Skoob why he thinks conservatives accomplished anything this election.
And yes, it is a Liberal accomplishment. How is it not?
And Canadians voted for both. Why does it have to be one or the other?

I listed the Conservative accomplishments and you ignored them.

Why do you ask for information you'll just ignore anyway? Is that a stall tactic while you figure out how to distract to something else?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I listed the Conservative accomplishments and you ignored them.

Those were not conservative accomplishments.

 

[Skoob]

Watch for what some U.S. commentators have described as the Schatz Doctrine after Senator Brian Schatz of Hawaii. Democratic (Liberal) politicians can continue to advance progressive leftism as long as they are careful not to sound like they are advancing progressive leftism. In other words, the progressive policies turn-off voters so don't tell them what you are actually going to do during the campaign while winking at your progressive wing.

Yes and that's why I remain skeptical that Carney and his Liberal party will actually implement the Conservative policies they "adopted" during the campaign.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Because if your supposition is Canadians voted against authoritarianism, that's a pretty resounding statement and motivation.

So yeah, votes against scary authoritarianism as you have defined it are not a Liberal accomplishment. You yourself said Canadians were scared. That doesn't sound like a great achievement for the Liberals and their platform whatever Carney decides it will be.

Both play a role.
The platform as well as anti-authoritarianism.
It is still an accomplishment because it took the right messaging to provide the voter with the confidence to vote them in, when they were trailing 20+ points.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You need to look at the big picture as to how the Canadian parliament works. If you are only able to look at Poilievre's riding then you are wasting your time...and mine.

I've said that if....and that's a big IF, the Liberals implement the Conservative policies they copied, then it's really a win-win. Why would I be against that?

But you know as well as I, that the Liberals don't have a good track record for keeping promises but are good at winning elections. So we will see what happens.

Let's all witness how Carney will "stand up to Trump" hahahahahaha this should be good.

That is your mental gymnastics to call it conservative policies.
Its Carney's platform.
Pierre losing his seat is unprecedented.
How come the conservatives increased their seats in parliament (which is the actual conservative accomplishment), but its leader lost his riding? lmfao.

 

[versitile1]

That is your mental gymnastics to call it conservative policies.
Its Carney's platform.
Pierre losing his seat is unprecedented.
How come the conservatives increased their seats in parliament (which is the actual conservative accomplishment), but its leader lost his riding? lmfao.

No, don’t you see this is actually a win for Pee Pee? Now he never has to get his security clearance and can speak freely about whatever he wants outside the House of Commons because well, he doesn’t have a seat anymore.

 

[Skoob]

Those were not conservative accomplishments.

They were all accomplishments. You just don't like them.

Conservatives had the best showing in more than a decade. You don't think that's an accomplishment?
Conservatives had more to do with the collapse of the NDP than anyone else did.
Conservatives pushed the carbon tax election narrative that ultimately had Trudeau resign and Carney adopt dropping it.

just because you are brainwashed by the Liberal propaganda machine doesn't mean that politically the Conservatives didn't have any accomplishments.