Ukraine updates

[NotADcotor]

Are you aware how often the (liberal) media pick on profits made by
the oil industry a business where their folks explore and produce a
commodity absolutely essential to our society at big risk of losing all
their capital from drilling dry wells and volatile oil prices?

I don't and I wish we don't send money and weapons to Ukraine
purely for love and justice. I do expect there are benefits to be
gained.

Unless one is Amish, one needs to STFU about complaining about the oil and gas industry. But as the dudeists would say, that is just like my opinion man.
The blame should be on the consumption side not the production side, but that would mean people would have to be held accountable for their own behavior and we can't have that, now can we.

As for your second part, some rank and file people might want to send money to Ukraine for love and justice, but I am sure western governments don't, nor should they. It's for our benefit. Appeasement is a horrible policy, one should make aggressors at the very least pay dearly if not face plant for their actions. At least those who are big boys who have some reach and have appetites.

If two tin pot nations want to go after each other and there are no strategic resources in concern, meh. as long as it doesn't look like it will spread out of control, which is why the west have 0 fucks to give about Sudan, Congo or Ethiopia. It won't spread and it's too far away. Ukraine is on NATO's doorstep and one could figure they would have eyes on the potato union next, and those three dudes are one of ours.

Love, Justice? Maybe like Sir Humprhy Appleby I am also a moral vacuum but I say meh. It's why the UK was going to enter WWI regardless of Belgium. Balance of power, Belgium was just an excuse. It was an issue of balance of power vs was it worth the cost of going in.

Also fucking up a potential enemy at no cost of our lives but the lives of those at threat and are willing to die for their country if only if they had their gear. As the Hulk would say, I see that as a win. Up there with Loki convincing John Wick and the Avengers killed his dog.

 

[mandrill]

Unless one is Amish, one needs to STFU about complaining about the oil and gas industry. But as the dudeists would say, that is just like my opinion man.
The blame should be on the consumption side not the production side, but that would mean people would have to be held accountable for their own behavior and we can't have that, now can we.

As for your second part, some rank and file people might want to send money to Ukraine for love and justice, but I am sure western governments don't, nor should they. It's for our benefit. Appeasement is a horrible policy, one should make aggressors at the very least pay dearly if not face plant for their actions. At least those who are big boys who have some reach and have appetites.

If two tin pot nations want to go after each other and there are no strategic resources in concern, meh. as long as it doesn't look like it will spread out of control, which is why the west have 0 fucks to give about Sudan, Congo or Ethiopia. It won't spread and it's too far away. Ukraine is on NATO's doorstep and one could figure they would have eyes on the potato union next, and those three dudes are one of ours.

Love, Justice? Maybe like Sir Humprhy Appleby I am also a moral vacuum but I say meh. It's why the UK was going to enter WWI regardless of Belgium. Balance of power, Belgium was just an excuse. It was an issue of balance of power vs was it worth the cost of going in.

Also fucking up a potential enemy at no cost of our lives but the lives of those at threat and are willing to die for their country if only if they had their gear. As the Hulk would say, I see that as a win. Up there with Loki convincing John Wick and the Avengers killed his dog.

You're wrong on Belgium.

It's all about Antwerp. "Antwerp is a pistol pointed at the heart of England." Look on a map.

 

[Insidious Von]

Iranian troops are now in Crimea for the defense of the peninsula against the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

It's not looking good for Putinesca, the Central Asia Nations no longer fear Mother Russia. Kazakhstan is looking to expropriate the space program located within it's western desert.

 

[DinkleMouse]

I can assure you I have zero love for Putin.

You realise people outside the western world in general are not as
anti-Putin and pro-Zelensky as the folks here? It is not that people in
China, India, Middle East, Africa and South America generally hold the
view that Putin's unprovoked attack of a sovereign state is justified. In
fact many people around the world do see Zelensky as the good guy and
Putin the bad guy in this conflict. It is just that non-western people often don't
share westerners sentiments pertinent to many world political issues.
Their support of woke culture and climate change activism for instance
is pretty lacklustre in the eyes of a typical liberal in Canada, Europe and
New Zealand.

I do admit I am not pro-Ukraine. But so far I have no qualm about
Canada's support of Zelensky. Even if I were in such position I would
not protest Trudeau granting loans and sending weapons to Ukraine.
I recognise Canadians are in general sympathetic towards Ukraine
and that support of Ukraine is bipartisan. In the spirit of democracy
I would go along with our leaders on aiding Ukraine up to certain
point. I believe the chance of our government raising the level of
Ukraine support to where I find unacceptable is slight. As such I
think it is also very unlikely I will find myself taking the side of Putin.
I will likely be more pro-Russia in the aftermath of the war though.

Seriously dude, why the line breaks? Are you trying to write shitty haïkus? Your posts are unreadable. It's worse than writing in ALL CAPS or cAmEl CaSe. End the line breaks madness, let them wrap naturally. Enter is for a new paragraph, not to limit the length of a line.

You do not need to try
and put an artificial
limit on how long your
lines are. Our browser
will do the wrap on its
own and they will fit
the width of our screen
which might be different
than yours.

 

[DinkleMouse]

Is there a place where I can see how much dollars all the western countries have spent so far on this war with a breakdown? Like how much in the name of arms and ammunition, how much for food supplies, how much in cash?

I don't have an answer to that, but just want to clarify that you're aware it's not "spent" but "loaned", right? The UK and the USSR recieved lend-lease in WW2, for example, and neither of them finish repaying it until 2006. The USSR did get massive forgiveness because of, as Stalin put it, "they paid their debts in blood", and I have no doubt Ukraine will get some forgiveness too for that same reason. But these aren't gifts; these are rentals and loans.

 

[mandrill]

Iranian troops are now in Crimea for the defense of the peninsula against the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

It's not looking good for Putinesca, the Central Asia Nations no longer fear Mother Russia. Kazakhstan is looking to expropriate the space program located within it's western desert.

I can't imagine what the Kazakhs are going to do with a space program FFS!

Probably sell it to the Chinese.

 

[Insidious Von]

I can't imagine what the Kazakhs are going to do with a space program FFS! Probably sell it to the Chinese.

They can use it to send Borat into space, so he can make shit on the moon. Actually the launch contracts are very lucrative, they want them for themselves.

 

[NotADcotor]

You're wrong on Belgium.

It's all about Antwerp. "Antwerp is a pistol pointed at the heart of England." Look on a map.

So I am right about Belgium. It had nothing to do with love and justice but rather about security.

 

[NotADcotor]

Iranian troops are now in Crimea for the defense of the peninsula against the Ukrainian counter-offensive.

It's not looking good for Putinesca, the Central Asia Nations no longer fear Mother Russia. Kazakhstan is looking to expropriate the space program located within it's western desert.

I'd need something a bit more substantive than Warthog to believe Iranians are in Crimea. I just woke up so I haven't been able to view my sources yet.

 

[NotADcotor]

Seriously dude, why the line breaks? Are you trying to write shitty haïkus? Your posts are unreadable. It's worse than writing in ALL CAPS or cAmEl CaSe. End the line breaks madness, let them wrap naturally. Enter is for a new paragraph, not to limit the length of a line.

You do not need to try
and put an artificial
limit on how long your
lines are. Our browser
will do the wrap on its
own and they will fit
the width of our screen
which might be different
than yours.

If his lines were that short I could see the point, but unreadable, that's a bit much. His posting is perfectly cromulent in terms of structure at least.

 

[mandrill]

So I am right about Belgium. It had nothing to do with love and justice but rather about security.

In that sense, yes.

The Germans could build a massive navy in the Scheldt, only 3 or 4 hours away from the Thames. It was the only thing that made HMG really piss their pants.

Britain had given Austria carte blanche in Italy at the Congress of Vienna in return for Austria signing away Belgium. The Brits then forcibly amalgamated Belgium with their puppet state of the Netherlands in return for a pledge not to utilize Antwerp as a commercial port. (One of those little moments of total, sociopathic, manipulative cynicism that make me proud to be a Brit!)

That didn't last beyond 1830, but the British concern about Antwerp remained until 1918.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657765389084786690

 

[DinkleMouse]

If his lines were that short I could see the point, but unreadable, that's a bit much. His posting is perfectly cromulent in terms of structure at least.

It's not when you hit every line ending and your brain thinks it's the end of a sentence/paragraph and then have to go back. I could figure it out with effort, but I'm not making that effort anymore. Besides, it's not every post and sometimes he's got them only in posts of one post but not in the rest.

It's 2023, it's about time up learn how computers work.

 

[squeezer]

Great clip with a Marine reacting to the action

 

[bver_hunter]

Four Russian military aircraft shot down near Ukraine, Russian daily reports

Russian news outlet Kommersant said two Russian fighter jets and two military helicopters had been shot down on Saturday close to the Ukrainian border, in what would be a spectacular coup for Kyiv if confirmed.

Kommersant said on its website that the Su-34 fighter-bomber, Su-35 fighter and two Mi-8 helicopters had made up a raiding party, and had been "shot down almost simultaneously" in an ambush in the Bryansk region, adjoining northeast Ukraine.

Four Russian military aircraft shot down near Ukraine, Russian daily reports

Russian news outlet Kommersant said two Russian fighter jets and two military helicopters had been shot down on Saturday close to the Ukrainian border, in what would be a spectacular coup for Kyiv if confirmed.

www.reuters.com

 

[bver_hunter]

Head of Russia's Wagner group admits 'Putin's soldiers are fleeing' as missiles hit Luhansk in Ukraine assault

Head of Russia's Wagner group admits 'Putin's soldiers are fleeing' as missiles hit Luhansk in Ukraine assault | LBC

The head of Russia's Wagner mercenary group Yevgeny Prigozhin has said Ukraine's counter-attack is going "full steam ahead", with Ukrainian soldiers "attacking successfully".

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1657480257950171136

 

[squeezer]

Russia really needs to throw in the towel and go home.

Amid feud with Putin, Wagner mercenary leader offered Ukrainians the locations of invading troops in exchange for sparing his for-hire army, leaked documents reveal

Prigozhin told Ukrainian officials he would reveal the locations of Russian soldiers if they pulled back from the front lines of Bakhmut, WaPo reports.

ca.yahoo.com

 

[squeezer]

Does Ukraine Joan Of Arc look like she wants to throw in the towel and bow down to Putin?

 

[squeezer]

Let's find out what Ukrainians think of the US and the West