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oil&gas

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No, they should not worry about re-stocking and manufacturing anything so they can also be inept as Russia has been on the field and be handcuffed when the next despot dictator decides to illegally invade a sovereign country. I'm a little bit surprised at why you would be complaining because as far as I know, most tanks and military equipment run on oil and gas. If anything you should be jumping up and down for joy.
If you have been trading stocks in the energy sector you should know
the Ukraine war is God's gift to investors depending on oil stocks for
income. Though share prices of stocks in the oil sector remain
depressed the high yield of many oil producer and drilling service stocks
are secured by the support of oil prices thanks to the cooperation between
OPEC and Russia. Now that Russia just cut production of another half a million barrels of oil
in response to price capping I can look forward to many months of juicy cash
distribution for many months to come.

Any Impact of supplying Ukraine with military equipment like tanks
on oil consumption is insignificant. It is the sanctions on Russia that
drive up oil prices. Somehow I decided that manufacturers of arms
who profit from the war ought to be trashed to make the oil business
look less guilty of war profiteering. Don't you think it is a good idea
for arms suppliers to give back some of its earned blood money
to rebuild Ukraine? Besides, I am also disgusted by all the cheering
of sending weapons to Ukraine to prolong the war. It is gratifying for
me to expose that dark side of human nature.
 

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NotADoctor wanted more proof, there's a reason why the Iranians were seizing oil tankers at the Strait of Hormuz.

Perhaps the Iranians can help Putinesca build a large wooden badger.
If Iranians were in Crimea, it would blow up on all my other sources.

Also I recall Real life Lore did a hilariously bad video on how vital it would be for Scotland to stay in NATO.

The channels I follow, none of them mention this, so I have my doubts.
 

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Lukashenko is no longer an asset to Putinesca, more than likely he's been poisoned. He attended Great Patriotic Victory Day on May 9 and hasn't been seen since.

If he dies, Putinesca will annex Belorussia with lightning speed. He can attack Kyiv directly from the country, although it would still cost him dearly. Then he can nuke Vilnius and create a corridor to Kaliningrad. Sounds crazy but at this point I wouldn't put any action beyond Putinesca.

 

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Hungary outraged by leaked Ukrainian plans to blow up vital oil pipeline
May 15, 2023

Hungarian media is abuzz with angry reactions after a leak obtained by The Washington Post revealed that Ukraine was planning to blow up the Druzhba oil pipeline that transports crude from Russia to Hungary.

According to the leaked documents, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky proposed at a February meeting with Deputy Prime Minister Yuliya Svyrydenko that Ukraine should blow up the pipeline in order to incapacitate the part of the Hungarian energy infrastructure reliant on Russian oil.

Government spokesman Zoltán Kovács reacted in a tweet with a short question: “How is it possible that Ukraine is plotting against a NATO country??”


Hungarian security analyst Péter Tarjányi said in a Facebook post that this would be a “very unfriendly, mistaken and stupid move.”

He added: “I understand that Ukraine does not like many Hungarian government actions and communications, but this does not justify such a plan or idea.”

Tarjányi then recalled that “on the one hand, Hungary has helped hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees over the past 15 months, despite all the differences of opinion. We have to understand, our country sent aid, medicine AND!!! in the end voted for ALL sanctions against Russia.

He then pointed out that “in addition to this, and this is not a negligible FACT, Hungary is a NATO member, so such a plan makes no sense at all. This is a huge self-deception on the part of Ukraine, and Kyiv must explain itself very quickly. The main question is: Why did the Ukrainian president think that such a plan could be justified???? Why did he think he could risk NATO support by launching such an attack? I await further information on the matter.”

While the Russian invasion of Ukraine severely reduced Russian crude imports to the European Union, according to Eurostat data, last year Hungary imported 4.8 million tons of crude from Russia, 1.4 million more than in 2021.

The leak was part of a trove of military intelligence documents posted on a Discord server by 21-year-old Jack Teixeira, who served as an airman at a National Guard unit in Massachusetts. Teixeira was taken into custody over the leaks and faces substantial prison time if convicted.

 

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Any Impact of supplying Ukraine with military equipment like tanks
on oil consumption is insignificant. It is the sanctions on Russia that
drive up oil prices. Somehow I decided that manufacturers of arms
who profit from the war ought to be trashed to make the oil business
look less guilty of war profiteering. Don't you think it is a good idea
for arms suppliers to give back some of its earned blood money
to rebuild Ukraine? Besides, I am also disgusted by all the cheering
of sending weapons to Ukraine to prolong the war. It is gratifying for
me to expose that dark side of human nature.
Why are you not hoping for Russia to have to pay reparations for the damage they have caused? It is the manufacturers of the weaponry that should be applauded if Ukraine wins and is free from Russia's tyranny. You are disgusted by the weapons being sent to a country pleading for help who wants to fight their superior invader, why is that? Isn't it human nature to defend yourself from a bully? Do animals in the wild not protect their territory with a fight to the death if necessary?
 

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I don't recall I said anything to the effect that I do not want
to see Russia having to pay war reparation. Since Canada
would not be the one to foot the bill I have nothing to complain
about Ukraine receiving compensation from its invader. That
being said, I am not sure how the course of the war will have
to unfold and end for Russia to end up paying reparation. I
think nothing less than total defeat could force Russia to pay
which I am not sure is a good thing. You don't want to see
Zelensky pursuing Putin's retreating army all the way to Moscow,
don't you?

I can see why the arms supplier to Ukraine are profiting
on a good cause in the eyes of its supporter. I don't see
the war the same way as you. Were I an arms manufacturer
a proxy war is not what I want to be the source cash machine
for my business.

I don't think it is worthwhile to spend another 10 pages arguing
whether Ukraine is fighting all for themselves or a proxy war for
the west. I'll just elaborate further on what I think to be the course
of action the west will stick to.

At this point it is more imperative to the west than to Zelensky
to have Putin taken out. There is one snag though. Without that
snag Putin would meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein. If
Zelensky was not willing to fight the west would be as compelled
like George Bush to organize a military coalition to go into Moscow
to pull a regime change. That can only happen if through divine
intervention Putin's nuclear arsenal were all evaporated into
nothingness. Since such scenario is not plausible the west
is left with the option of giving aid to those willing to fight Putin
to the death. Giving out of date and worn out weapons produced by
world's most advanced military industry to Ukraine to fight up-to-date
but backward Russian military machine has the advantage of economy.
But there is more to it. If you are familiar with the character of the
communist from the history of PRC China and Soviet Union you
may understand that communists by nature are most brutal to
their own people. They are not irrational and more calculating in
dealing with foreign aggressors. It was self-preservation not the
spread of communism that drove the communist to fight foreign
enemies. Ukraine can only be supported by the west to fight Russia
to a degree about right to persuade Putin firing nuclear missile
to hit NATO members does him no good. You can be assured that
in the unlikely event of nuclear attack the bomb will be dropped only
on Ukraine soil. This is how the west can hope for winning the Ukraine
war. Let it drags on to weaken Putin and destabilize Moscow until he
is toppled without risking nuclear attack on NATO members and
putting our soldiers in harms way.

And getting back to the obscene profits made by the military industry
on the Ukraine war I must admit I too would be tempted to put my
pocketbook into the war if I were in the business. And I must also
admit jealousy is a factor underlying my grudge. I would not be as
pissed off by people cheering the arms supplier if they recognize
that business is as much if not a greater beneficiary of the war
than oil producers and certainly as obliged to give back their
blood money to Ukraine.
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Major international energy companies that raked in bumper profits because of price spikes over the course of the war should pour some of that cash into rebuilding Ukraine's shattered power infrastructure, Kyiv's Energy Minister German Galushchenko told POLITICO.

In a wide-ranging interview, Galushchenko also argued the West needed to close sanctions loopholes on Russian energy sales to prevent an "endless war" in Ukraine, and said Kyiv could provide alternative nuclear fuel so some EU countries could wean themselves off their dependence on Russian supplies.

"A lot of energy companies get enormous windfall profits due to the war. So we estimated this at more than $200 billion," Galushchenko said on a visit to Brussels. "They get this money because we are fighting, because of the war."

"I think it would be fair to share this money with Ukraine. I mean, to help us to restore, to rebuild the energy sector," he added.

The $200 billion figure given by Galushchenko has been widely cited as the profits of five top companies — BP, Chevron, ExxonMobil, Total and Shell — in 2022. The Kyiv School of Economics estimates the damage to Ukrainian infrastructure at close to $140 billion.

The minister noted that a Lithuanian company, Ignitis Group, is already looking to hand over some 10 percent of its profits to help reconstruction in Ukraine and said bigger companies should follow suit.

Galushchenko also warned that Moscow would be able to wage a perpetual war in Ukraine for as long as the Kremlin is able to rake in cash from selling fossil fuels. Despite sanctions against Russian oil imports imposed by the EU and a price cap set by the G7 club of rich democracies, he warned that Russian President Vladimir Putin was still finding ways to beat international embargoes.

"If on one side you're trying to restrict them and on the other you're giving them opportunities, you'll allow them to make endless war," he complained, arguing the Kremlin was using its energy export earnings "not to help Russian people to live better" but "to produce weapons" and keep the war going.

"This money costs Ukrainian lives," he said.

Russia boasts that it has diverted its oil supplies to friendly countries such as China and India, but there are signs that restrictions from big Western markets are biting hard.

Calculations by Bloomberg on March 3 suggested that tax revenues from oil almost halved in February from a year ago, while gas revenue dropped 42 percent from a year earlier given reduced sales to Europe. The EU's ban on Russian oil has been a key factor is torpedoing the price of Urals crude.

Keen to keep up that pressure, Galushchenko protested that some oil was still seeping under the cordon.

"It's important not to help Russia to escape sanctions," he said, arguing that "sanctions are efficient only if you have no way to escape and we see the Russians are trying to escape — in some cases, they find a way."

His warning comes amid recent reports that Moscow's hydrocarbons may be reaching EU countries via Azerbaijan and Turkey. Allegations are also growing that Russian oil has been discreetly sold at prices far exceeding the $60 cap imposed by the G7 in December.

The EU's plan to make the bloc independent from Moscow's fossil fuels before 2030, called RePowerEU, includes encouraging member countries to jointly purchase natural gas, and the Ukrainian minister said his country also wanted in on that program.

While the EU has slashed its oil and gas imports from Russia, the bloc still has 18 Russian-designed VVER reactors — located in Finland, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Hungary and the Czech Republic — for which no alternative fuel supply exists so far.

Rather than continuing to rely on Russia, they could soon buy their supplies off Kyiv, he said. Ukraine is in the process of making specially-tailored replacement nuclear fuel along with Westinghouse of the U.S. that could be ready by "the beginning of next year."

He also called on the European Commission to set an EU-wide target for eliminating countries' reliance on Russian nuclear technology, while reiterating Ukraine's call to bring sanctions against Moscow's state-run atomic giant Rosatom for its role in overseeing the occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. So far, the EU has refrained from hitting Russia's nuclear industry with sanctions.

"They are participating in the capture and illegal operation of [this] nuclear station," Galushchenko said.
 
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Government spokesman Zoltán Kovács reacted in a tweet with a short question: “How is it possible that Ukraine is plotting against a NATO country??”
Doesn't the pipeline pass through Ukraine and doesn't the pipeline provide funding for the Russian military.

Me thinks Hungary is protesting a bit too much.

It's a bit like the Americans bitching over the sinking of the Lucifertania during WWI. It was going into a war zone, it was carrying military supplies. It was sent by a country that was providing lots of aid and loans to the allies while Germany and pals were being starved. Although it wasn't all bad, apparently Mary Brown was there to give all the survivers chicken, 2 peaces each. *

* well at least according to an old Mary Brown commercial which I am sure none of ye have seen.
 
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If he dies, Putinesca will annex Belorussia with lightning speed. He can attack Kyiv directly from the country, although it would still cost him dearly. Then he can nuke Vilnius and create a corridor to Kaliningrad. Sounds crazy but at this point I wouldn't put any action beyond Putinesca.
Russia has been pretty good so far in not turning their border regions [Russia proper] with Ukraine into war zones. Once Ukraine reaches the border, the Russians let them have it.
Sure they could try to attack Kyiv from the North, but that border is defended and it isn't as if Russia has much offensive capacity left having wasted it on Bachmut and points south.
Also him nuking a NATO country is pure fantasy. There is no sign that Poutine is actually crazy, making bad decisions doesn't make one nuts. It does seem to be a thing of attaching the label crazy to our enemies but it's overused. Don't forget when he invaded, plenty of western sources didn't have much faith in Ukraine's ability to resist so to attack wasn't as special needs as it comes across in hind site. He has been very caustious about mobilizing troops because of internal risks. He seems like an asshole, but a rational asshole. Pity he isn't a regular Joe with a regular job. An average white, suburbanite slob who likes football and porno and books about war with an average house with a nice hardwood floor a wife and a job, some kids and a car with his feet on his table and a Cuban cigar like a proper asshole would.
 

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Russia has been pretty good so far in not turning their border regions [Russia proper] with Ukraine into war zones....
Other than strikes on air bases and the Sevastopol naval base, I don't think Ukraine has even tried to take the war to Russia. Even though some commentators have suggested Ukraine take some Russian territory to trade in peace talks, Ukraine's army seems to have absolutely zero interest in it.
 

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Other than strikes on air bases and the Sevastopol naval base, I don't think Ukraine has even tried to take the war to Russia. Even though some commentators have suggested Ukraine take some Russian territory to trade in peace talks, Ukraine's army seems to have absolutely zero interest in it.
It would seem to be a bad idea on their part. I don't know if it's true but at least one [Russian cold war defector] says that Russians tend to be shit soldiers for a shit cause but when they are fighting the good fight they tend to stiffen up quite a bit. Going into actual Russia might get their elbows up and get them a bit more enthused about the war.

Or not.
 

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It would seem to be a bad idea on their part. I don't know if it's true but at least one [Russian cold war defector] says that Russians tend to be shit soldiers for a shit cause but when they are fighting the good fight they tend to stiffen up quite a bit. Going into actual Russia might get their elbows up and get them a bit more enthused about the war.

Or not.
Like anyone else. All those reluctant draftees that smoked weed on patrol and fragged their NCO's towards the end in Nam would have fought like demons if Charlie was in Nebraska and they were defending their homes.

Going into Russia allows The Poo to call another draft and enlist a million more mobiks. Military efficiency might be lousy, but those muzhniki would be fighting for their homes.
 

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Starting at the 1:45 second mark, if and I say if this is true, Russia is in store for a much-needed attack within its Kremlin walls from its own war machine.

 
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