Ukraine updates
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It's nice to see we still have a Putin/Russian supporter among us. We need unfair and unbalanced posting dammit!! I've noticed Kreal & Chicken is on a hiatus and addict is quiet, so you my oily friend must carry the Ruskie baton. Z forever or at least til the new British Storm Shadow Missile goes
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I can assure you I have zero love for Putin.
You realise people outside the western world in general are not as
anti-Putin and pro-Zelensky as the folks here? It is not that people in
China, India, Middle East, Africa and South America generally hold the
view that Putin's unprovoked attack of a sovereign state is justified. In
fact many people around the world do see Zelensky as the good guy and
Putin the bad guy in this conflict. It is just that non-western people often don't
share westerners sentiments pertinent to many world political issues.
Their support of woke culture and climate change activism for instance
is pretty lacklustre in the eyes of a typical liberal in Canada, Europe and
New Zealand.
I do admit I am not pro-Ukraine. But so far I have no qualm about
Canada's support of Zelensky. Even if I were in such position I would
not protest Trudeau granting loans and sending weapons to Ukraine.
I recognise Canadians are in general sympathetic towards Ukraine
and that support of Ukraine is bipartisan. In the spirit of democracy
I would go along with our leaders on aiding Ukraine up to certain
point. I believe the chance of our government raising the level of
Ukraine support to where I find unacceptable is slight. As such I
think it is also very unlikely I will find myself taking the side of Putin.
I will likely be more pro-Russia in the aftermath of the war though.
You realise people outside the western world in general are not as
anti-Putin and pro-Zelensky as the folks here? It is not that people in
China, India, Middle East, Africa and South America generally hold the
view that Putin's unprovoked attack of a sovereign state is justified. In
fact many people around the world do see Zelensky as the good guy and
Putin the bad guy in this conflict. It is just that non-western people often don't
share westerners sentiments pertinent to many world political issues.
Their support of woke culture and climate change activism for instance
is pretty lacklustre in the eyes of a typical liberal in Canada, Europe and
New Zealand.
I do admit I am not pro-Ukraine. But so far I have no qualm about
Canada's support of Zelensky. Even if I were in such position I would
not protest Trudeau granting loans and sending weapons to Ukraine.
I recognise Canadians are in general sympathetic towards Ukraine
and that support of Ukraine is bipartisan. In the spirit of democracy
I would go along with our leaders on aiding Ukraine up to certain
point. I believe the chance of our government raising the level of
Ukraine support to where I find unacceptable is slight. As such I
think it is also very unlikely I will find myself taking the side of Putin.
I will likely be more pro-Russia in the aftermath of the war though.
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That's just evil. You either go balls deep and do everything you can to help them win or leave them to their own devices.
I am not saying we should send booty to the ground because it is in our interest but it isn't our fight, but we should send enough gear for them to finish the job. This half assed approach which we have been doing just extends the suffering. War is a lot like taking off a band-aid or prison sex, it is best to get it over with quickly
I am guessing he is keeping his Wagner hommies tight, unless he is a complete moron I don't think he is going to the Kremlen to have some Polonium-210 tea following by some high sky diving any time soon... or maybe he is that stupid. If he keeps with his troops it would take a bit more effort to kill him and it would be a lot more obvious. You can go opps, I guess he fell, but killing a couple of 100 guards is a bit harder to put under the table. Assuming that his close associates are not that easily bribeable, or enough of them are not.
Hmmm Minions.
On your second two points. Yeah so?
As for arms dealers, do you expect them to supply stuff for free, would you. It's not an argument, much like how covidiots pointed out that drug companies make profits from producing vaccines, yeah duh, unless you are on team Karl Marx, that is kinda how shit works. It isn't as if these companies are making arms for their own country's defense.
Also plenty of old gear that will soon enough become too obsolete to use, like Leopard 1 tanks,
People die in war, that is what happens when you defend yourself from an attack. If you are not willing to do that and nobody else is willing to die for you then you get taken over.
This whole cluthing your pearls because people are dying is pretty much appeasement level bullshit. It's kinda up there with cold war unilateralists and those cities who declared themselves nuclear weapon free in terms of being out of touch with reality.
Wagner boss Prigozhin is going off the rails in Ukraine, and Putin may not have much choice but to let him, war expert says
ca.yahoo.com
Wagner boss Prigozhin is going off the rails in Ukraine, and Putin may not have much choice but to let him, war expert says
Putin's playing a risky game with his clashing warlords, an Institute for the Study of War expert says, and one commander is losing his cool.
Why are you so focused on the folks who build, design, test, and supply what is needed to get paid for services rendered while at the same time keeping dictators in check?
Do you provide your services pro bono and live off of air and love?
The fact that arms manufacturers are cheering doesn't change the fact that Russia's invasion was wrong or the fact that supporting Ukraine is to the advantage of NATO states.
Are you aware how often the (liberal) media pick on profits made by
the oil industry a business where their folks explore and produce a
commodity absolutely essential to our society at big risk of losing all
their capital from drilling dry wells and volatile oil prices? At least I
am not suggesting hefty taxation on the blood money made by arms
and defense corporations like climate activists calling for windfall tax
on oil profits. And I have yet to hear of any weapon manufacturer being sued
by pacifist the way Royal Dutch shell sued by climate activists because it
was not doing its job good enough to save humanity from climate change.
To be clear it is not the profit but the influence of the U.S. military
industry complex that is my concern. The U.S. was warned
about that influence by president Eisenhower more than half a
century ago and I am afraid his warning still warrants attention
today. As far as I am concerned services rendered by the military
industry to keep Putin in check is about as essential as services
provided by U.S. firearm manufactures. Just because they are
both selling their products and services to good people do
not make their business a squeegee clean one. You wouldn't want them or
any other country selling weapons to Iraq back in 2003 to defend
against Bush's unjust war of liberation, right?
I don't and I wish we don't send money and weapons to Ukraine
purely for love and justice. I do expect there are benefits to be
gained.
Oil companies must have been cheering as well but they seem to be the only
business accused of war profiteering. Surely selling a product at prices driven
higher by the war via interruption of supply cannot be more despicable than
making big bucks from selling arms to fuel the war.
Biden warns of windfall tax on ‘war profiteering’ oil companies
US president criticises oil companies for making record profits amid the Russia-Ukraine war, warns of higher tax.
Windfall tax on oil and gas industry: a perfect way to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction
A "windfall tax" on the war profits of the largest gas and oil companies could and should help reconstruct the damage done to Ukraine -- but its future hangs in the balance
euromaidanpress.com
It is only fair to warn war-profiteering arms suppliers against obscene
profit. Even better would be demanding them to share their profits with
Ukraine for post-war reconstruction. People's cheering arm suppliers to
the war is nauseating.
I just googled part of your question and...
Ukraine Support Tracker - A Database of Military, Financial and Humanitarian Aid to Ukraine
The Ukraine Support Tracker lists and quantifies military, financial and humanitarian aid promised by governments to Ukraine.
probably more what you are looking for.
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