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I have read through this thread and I am still struggling as to what is a good/cogent argument for these assault-style guns guns to be still legal?

Here are some of the arguments made:

- Because Canadian’s current have this right, it ought not to be taken away: But, if that were to be the case, no rights, once given to people, ought be taken away! That doesn’t make sense. Smoking inside a plane (and restaurants etc. etc.) was a right that the smokers had at one point - But, that surely wasn’t reason enough to not ban smoking in public places, once the error of that “right” became apparent

- The assaults-style gun owners are law-abiding people who have gone through RCMP background checks: Yes, they are. But, so were the smokers who bought their cigarettes lawfully. Once the broader society decided (through democratic means) that those very lawful smokers couldn’t smoke inside an office building, that is the end of that. I fail to see what being law-abiding has to do with being allowed a certain activity that the society deems it ought not to allow. Take prostitution as another example. I would bet all sides on this Board would agree that it is a commercial activity (willing buyer/seller; consideration; etc. etc.) that ought be allowed to otherwise law-abiding fine people of this Board, but many jurisdictions simply do not.

- Trudeau is using NS shooting to further this cause, while the NS shooter got his guns illegally from the US: So what? Politicians do this all the time. They know that to pass/promote something that is otherwise controversial, they have to act while there is a emotional outrage arising from a recent incident. This is not limited to Trudeau. This happens every where (Take Trump’s so called immigration ban due to Covid-19, for example).

I can go on. But, my point simply is that if these assault-style guns are really intended for only one purpose (to kill people) and not really for hunting / recreational purposes, then I do not see why they ought not be banned? I submit they should be.
 

redshank

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Other countries have made prostitution illegal.
Other countries cut your hand off if they catch you smoking a cigarette. (Isis occupied Iraq )
Other countries throw gay people off roofs
Other countries Execute prostitutes.
Other countries issue sentences of 1200 lashes for having a blog considered disrespectful to the government
Other countries allow little boys to be raped in police stations.
So what's your point?
I'll play

Are the countries Islamic?
 

RZG

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I wonder how many of that 80% could define what an “assault” weapon is.
I`m pretty certain actual assault weapons and machine guns have been banned/illegal since the `70s in Canada. Such as M16s/AK47s, high capacity magazines with selective fire( automatic) options. Lots of rifles may look like those but are obviously not the same. Interesting that Doug Ford has stated that this whole exercise, 600 million bucks worth to buy back, is money that should have been spent on guns and gangs and gun smuggling. The Toronto Star also reported that reporters were told by civil servants in a briefing on Friday that guns like the ones used in the Nova Scotia killings will be allowed to be retained by legal owners in a yet to be released grandfathering clause or they can also be given up for cash in the two year proposed window. None of which was mentioned by the PM or his Ministers. The RCMP has already stated that the guns were illegal, mostly from the States smuggled in, but they still are not saying what they are.
 

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Possibly so, but now more than ever it is vitally important to question everything. An already restricted 5 round capacity AR 15 or any other likewise firearm is far less lethal in killing power than many that aren`t on the newly revised list. If Roy Green has a podcast, check it out. For politicians and other top level figures it is ALWAYS about power and money. When the people in charge go after gangs using guns and the Native gun smuggling issue a lot of this problem would be resolved. But they won`t for obvious issues which would be political suicide. And speaking of suicide, I`ve known three people who died by gun suicide and two who were murdered by gunfire. If you read my other posts I have no pro/cons about gun ownership but rather Trudeau`s behavior in so many things including this.
Problem is much larger clips are readily available on the market. So you can own a legal one and have a hidden box of 30 round clips stashed somewhere. Also hunting guns are longer and not as easily modifed to automatic fire and things like "bump stops" and supressor kits are not available for them
 

John Henry

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NRA members are free to wonder about a lot of things about Canada. We don't give a rat's ass about what Americans think about our gun laws.
And we don't give a rats ass what you think about our gun laws or what you think they should be .
 

Phil C. McNasty

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How nice . Bring in the dick size you old lady . What else is new . How would she liked it if we said something about her having a crusty old pussy . Would that be OK
Dont talk about bver_hunter's mother that way
 

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I`m pretty certain actual assault weapons and machine guns have been banned/illegal since the `70s in Canada. Such as M16s/AK47s, high capacity magazines with selective fire( automatic) options. Lots of rifles may look like those but are obviously not the same.
C'mo, don't try to mess with us by stating facts. (Sarcasm)

Interesting that Doug Ford has stated that this whole exercise, 600 million bucks worth to buy back, is money that should have been spent on guns and gangs and gun smuggling.
Once again, the voice of reason. Crazy eh?

When I state facts on social media, the common rebuttal is, "but who needs an Assault Weapon?" When I mention the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by people using illegally obtained handguns, it falls on deaf ears. That's the real problem and where the funds and enforcement should go towards.

Take any mass killing in Canada where the shooter used an "Assault Weapon." I guarantee you, they could've done just as much damage with a couple (illegally obtained) semi-automatic handguns, maybe more.

The ban won't make the slightest bit of difference when it comes to common city gun-crime. Which is the vast majority of the problem. But hey, if spending hundreds of millions on something that will make feel good, then...

BTW, I'll be the first to remind everyone what a colossal waste of money this ban is, when the next shooting involves yet again, an unlicensed person with an illegal handgun.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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1 million assault rifles in Canada at a buyback of $1,000 a piece would cost TruDOH $1 billion.

(that money of course would just be recouped through raised taxes)
 

John Henry

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Problem is much larger clips are readily available on the market. So you can own a legal one and have a hidden box of 30 round clips stashed somewhere. Also hunting guns are longer and not as easily modifed to automatic fire and things like "bump stops" and supressor kits are not available for them
No . 30 round magazines ( not clips ) are not available . I can tell you're not a gun owner . The 25 round mags for a Ruger 10/22 rifle are not allowed now because those mags fit a hand gun which is only allowed to have 10 rounds plus 1 .

Never heard of the cops finding an AR-15 that was modified to shoot fully automatic . That's just not done . Bump stocks are illegal in Canada and so are suppressor kits . A box of 30 round mags hidden in a box . You watch too much TV .
 

John Henry

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1 million assault rifles in Canada at a buyback of $1,000 a piece would cost TruDOH $1 billion.

(that money of course would just be recouped through raised taxes)
And the idiots say they only need $250 million . Yea sure . Many AR-15 types cost way more than $1000 never mind the cost of accessories that many gun owners have on them .
 

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And the idiots say they only need $250 million . Yea sure . Many AR-15 types cost way more than $1000 never mind the cost of accessories that many gun owners have on them .
You're right, that's too much.
The government should buy them back for $100.

You can always take them to the US to sell.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And the idiots say they only need $250 million . Yea sure . Many AR-15 types cost way more than $1000 never mind the cost of accessories that many gun owners have on them
Dont forget the HST everyone paid on top of that
 

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Not gonna read all 4 pages.

Good move and ballsy.
 

MadGeek

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Not gonna read all 4 pages.

Good move and ballsy.
And this ladies and gentleman is why we have the government we have right fucking now! Citizen's content and happy to be ignorant cunts! Don't bother doing any research on anything because quite frankly the government knows best! So go ahead and just shove your fucking head in the sand.
 

shack

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And this ladies and gentleman is why we have the government we have right fucking now! Citizen's content and happy to be ignorant cunts! Don't bother doing any research on anything because quite frankly the government knows best! So go ahead and just shove your fucking head in the sand.
I have been in the middle of dozens of these discussions here already and heard all the arguments on both sides.

TERB is not the be all and end all for forming opinions. I am for sensible gun control. Others will accept no compromise.
 
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