Pickering Angels

The 2024 US Presidential election

K Douglas

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Yes, the billionaires are very happy today.
Don't know why you are cheering them making more money, though.
I'm cheering on my retirement account making more money. If billionaires make more I don't give it a shit. It's not a zero sum game.
 
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K Douglas

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The DNC fucked over Bernie Sanders for Hillary in 2016.
He would have defeated Trump the 1st time imo.
A left wing populist vs a right wing populist.
No he wouldn't have won. He's too far left for the independents. But you're correct the DNC did fuck him over in favor of Clinton. They didn't want an old white man at the top of the ticket.
 
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K Douglas

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This crap about the Russia Ukraine War starting because Biden was President and would not have happened under Trump is total and utter BS.
As the Intel Agencies revealed that the war was planned for 2022 irrespective of who was elected in 2020. The following circumstantial reasons is definitely in line with the war preparation:

Putin would not have invaded Ukraine before 2018, as the FIFA Nations World Cup was being hosted by Russia who invested in the building of the infrastructure etc for this huge event.
No doubt that he would have contacted Xi to say that he needed his support to start the invasion after this World Cup event.
Xi probably told him to hold off until 2022 as China was the Host for the Winter Olympics. This would have put China in the middle of a rock and hard place if Putin invaded prior to the games. The majority of Nations would have boycotted the games if Russia was not kicked out of the Winter Olympics!!
That is why Putin made that trip to China to be one of the celebrity world leaders at these games in 2022 at the behest of China. All other leaders of the advanced nations not surprisingly boycotted the Winter Olympics. Then immediately after the games is when Putin invaded Ukraine!!
Delusional. The reason why Putin invaded the Ukraine was twofold. First NATO was considering Ukraine's admission to membership. Second, ethnic Russians were being treated like second class citizens in the Donbas region. Their candidates for office were being banned from running by Kiev. NATO membership would have been a non starter for Trump. And he likely would have been on the blower with Zelenskyy so fast about Donbas threatening pulling out of American assets unless policies changed.
 
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Butler1000

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No he wouldn't have won. He's too far left for the independents. But you're correct the DNC did fuck him over in favor of Clinton. They didn't want an old white man at the top of the ticket.
The new coalition that put Trump over the top this time is Hispanics, Young men, more Black people, along with his base.

These were the people, who put Bernie almost over the top in the primaries both times. Add in the Trump haters, and I think he would have made it, especially with the pandemic on, in the general election.
 

jalimon

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Yes, I have. I don't really see the point in debating a wide reaching manifesto written by a conservative think tank. The media did a good job of trying to tie Trump to everything in Project 2025. Sometimes manipulating passages to produce a more contentious argument. I'm guessing you have read media accounts and not that actual document.

Liberal media's participation and bias in the Project 2025 debate is really not important anymore. Personally, I find it a lot more productive to simply discuss and debate actual legislation that is put forward. It's the practical reality as opposed to the theoretical.

By the way, I was merely discussing your use of the word felon. The felony was likely going to be tossed out, but it gave Democrats a great talking point. You certainly can have your negative feelings towards Trump.
Hitler began with a manifesto.

For me it's inconceivable that someone can think Trump is the guy. I care about civility. In a high school the boys are grabbing women by the crotch. Screaming 'Your body my choices'. Where do you think that comes from?

I my son's class 4 years ago when he was 12 the exact same happened.

Your top leader is a reflection on the whole society. Trump is a lying pig felon and that reflects on our kids and general population.

life is not just about the economy.
 

Skoob

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i dont really care. Trump is a hateful bully ego maniacal ass hole. A sexual offender also.

The simple idea that the gop wrote project 2025 is horrible. Have you read some of hit?
Ah yes, the Project 2025 conspiracy thing the Dems peddled as another futile attempt at swaying voters with fear mongering...how did that work out?
 
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jalimon

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Hitler began with a manifesto.

For me it's inconceivable that someone can think Trump is the guy. I care about civility. In a high school the boys are grabbing women by the crotch. Screaming 'Your body my choices'. Where do you think that comes from?

I my son's class 4 years ago when he was 12 the exact same happened.

Your top leader is a reflection on the whole society. Trump is a lying pig felon and that reflects on our kids and general population.

life is not just about the economy.
What do you find amusing?
 

WyattEarp

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Hitler began with a manifesto.

For me it's inconceivable that someone can think Trump is the guy. I care about civility. In a high school the boys are grabbing women by the crotch. Screaming 'Your body my choices'. Where do you think that comes from?

I my son's class 4 years ago when he was 12 the exact same happened.

Your top leader is a reflection on the whole society. Trump is a lying pig felon and that reflects on our kids and general population.

life is not just about the economy.
I wouldn't extrapolate so much (Hitler/manifesto) from someone's crass demeanor.

I tend to think you like to embellish things to make your point. I have not heard anything here in the U.S. to suggest boys' behavior has become more uncivil during Trump's tenure.
 

jalimon

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I wouldn't extrapolate so much (Hitler/manifesto) from someone's crass demeanor.

I tend to think you like to embellish things to make your point. I have not heard anything here in the U.S. to suggest boys' behavior has become more uncivil during Trump's tenure.
Typical Trumpers and maga. If it does not affect me it's not happening.
 

bver_hunter

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Shameless drama to gain publicity as the savior of American progressivism. I'm not sure the Trump Administration cares if California chooses its progressive way. California seems to be a good example for the rest of the country to reject this path.

No wonder that California contributes the most in terms of GDP than any other State in the USA.
Trump would be shitting his pants if California breaks away from The USA!!


Take a look at 1998 when California and Texas economies were the same size until around 2012. Look at their growth in GDP as compared to other States including a very Republican State of Texas where several freedoms are curtailed. The Right Wing media will just try to slam California as they hate how the economy as boomed in this century. That is why many Canadians go to work on contracts in that State as they always need well qualified individuals.

 

bver_hunter

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Voter turnout was about the same. 2020 it was about 67%. As it stands, 2024 was about 65% and counting.
The total number of ballots cast is 65%. Actually not all the 65% of the votes have been counted as yet. The percentage is lower this time as compared to the record high of 67% in 2020!!
 

bver_hunter

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I thought you said you didnt care aboot US politics
Did I say I don't care "aboot US politics"? Not really, as I stated that I don't care who wins the elections as they will get what they deserve for the next 4 years!!
But you guys will be blaming our Government when Trump imposes tariffs on all Canadian goods entering the USA. We know that all Governments will retaliate with a tit for tat against those tariffs, that will once again ignite the inflation as all the pundits are predicting!!
 
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jalimon

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I wouldn't extrapolate so much (Hitler/manifesto) from someone's crass demeanor.

I tend to think you like to embellish things to make your point. I have not heard anything here in the U.S. to suggest boys' behavior has become more uncivil during Trump's tenure.
Not the article i read about the high school boys but interesting enough


Online the 'your body my choice' is fucking everywhere
 
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bver_hunter

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Delusional. The reason why Putin invaded the Ukraine was twofold. First NATO was considering Ukraine's admission to membership. Second, ethnic Russians were being treated like second class citizens in the Donbas region. Their candidates for office were being banned from running by Kiev. NATO membership would have been a non starter for Trump. And he likely would have been on the blower with Zelenskyy so fast about Donbas threatening pulling out of American assets unless policies changed.
What is "delusional" about the timing. NATO already insisted to Ukraine that they had no intention of admitting Ukraine. The ethnic Russians wanted their language to be used as the Primary language in their region over The Ukraine language. That would have discriminated against the minority Ukrainians who do not speak the language. We know that it was no coincidence that immediately after the Winter Olympics is when Putin came up with his "History Class" about Ukraine being a part of Russia and then lied to the world that he had no intention of invading Ukraine in spite of the Intel Agencies correctly warning that the drills on the border were about the intended invasion. Then Putin called it a Special Mission or words to that effect when it was a full blast invasion that was for just a few days. Lies, and more lies and Trump called him a genius. Two years later and this war goes on with either side not finding a resolution!!

Trump will end it in "24 hours"!! :rolleyes: We will get the clock ticking when he takes office!!
 
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WyattEarp

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No wonder that California contributes the most in terms of GDP than any other State in the USA.
Trump would be shitting his pants if California breaks away from The USA!!


Take a look at 1998 when California and Texas economies were the same size until around 2012. Look at their growth in GDP as compared to other States including a very Republican State of Texas where several freedoms are curtailed. The Right Wing media will just try to slam California as they hate how the economy as boomed in this century. That is why many Canadians go to work on contracts in that State as they always need well qualified individuals.
We have been through this before. This is nothing more than another one of your narratives where you squeeze facts into your argument and ignore the facts that don't.

- California has had Republican Governors over the last thirty years. The tech sector was firmly established many decades ago before that. This is like giving Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger credit for the smartphone since it was developed and introduced during his tenure. Thank you Arnold!
- This is a back-handed slap at Canada because Canadian growth has stagnated the last ten-fifteen years. Canada would place in the bottom five in terms of economic output if it was one of our States. Please don't get confused by Canadian dollars. Psss.... they're not worth as much so translate them into U.S. dollars when you go through your mental gymnastics.
- As a style point, show your source for the chart. It kind of helps to follow where the data originated.
- Lastly, California and Texas did not have the same size economy in 2012 or anytime over the last thirty years. I think I understand your point, but since I don't agree with its premise it's up to you to express yourself more clearly. So again, it also helps to know the source.
 

The Oracle

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We have been through this before. This is nothing more than another one of your narratives where you squeeze facts into your argument and ignore the facts that don't.
He's one of the most programmed posters on this board.

What gets me is that they're willing to walk right off their leftist plank repeating the same dribble over and over again.
 
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